tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post3453710763848693045..comments2024-03-12T19:57:41.861+00:00Comments on THINKING CATHOLICISM: HETEROSEXUAL "SODOMY"Thinking Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-77603052259722776692017-05-19T10:50:29.801+01:002017-05-19T10:50:29.801+01:00DS, your comment lacks any semblance of coherence....DS, your comment lacks any semblance of coherence. The epidemiology of a virus cannot "skew' statistics in terms of how it is transmitted. It simply is what it is. Therefore, while sociological factors are at play in terms of sexual practices likely to lead to transmission and preventative measures, they are irrelevant when assessing how a virus is transmitted scientifically.<br /><br />Your assertion that heterosexual transmission of HIV is not at all common in Europe is demonstrably false. According to the WHO's Report (2015), in eastern Europe 65% of transmissions of HIV were either heterosexually transmitted or though intravenous drug use; only 4% were homosexual in transmission. In western Europe, 32% of all cases of HIV transmission were among heterosexuals. It is absurd to say it is not common.<br /><br />To take your argument logically, you seem to be saying that promiscuity is the reason for transmission (true to an extent). But your argument falls apart when you imply that homosexuals in Europe are massively promiscuous compared to heterosexuals in Europe, meanwhile we find in Africa that the vast majority of heterosexuals must be very promiscuous given the high rate of heterosexual transmission there. Are you saying that racial origin is the key factor in all of this?<br /><br />Using statistics when you don't understand how they work is very dangerous when you are misusing them to bolster your pre-existing prejudice.<br /><br />TRS<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-12783120305980641772017-05-19T00:41:42.502+01:002017-05-19T00:41:42.502+01:00HIV is common among HETEROSEXUALS in Africa and is...HIV is common among HETEROSEXUALS in Africa and is passed on by VAGINAL intercourse according to all sources I have read. This skews the stats. it is common at all in Europe/the Americas among heterosexuals but it was/is very common among homosexuals. True this is not merely a difference in sexual practice (though it must have a significant effect) but the major difference is in the rampantly promiscuous behaviour that many homosexuals display. <br />DS Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-11906006292102861492017-05-18T12:02:32.334+01:002017-05-18T12:02:32.334+01:00Nevertheless Anon @ 11:03 it's very welcome to...Nevertheless Anon @ 11:03 it's very welcome to see intelligent informed thoughtful responses to some of the more obtuse off the cuff ill informed remarks sometimes appearing on Pat's blog.<br />MMM<br />Thank you Anon @ 10:03<br />MMMMourneManMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-6006809804998713672017-05-18T11:03:09.018+01:002017-05-18T11:03:09.018+01:00@10:03
Nice try, and you obviously know your stuff...@10:03<br />Nice try, and you obviously know your stuff, but there's no point trying to explain empirical facts to people like that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-36839525397024390912017-05-18T10:33:26.800+01:002017-05-18T10:33:26.800+01:00Thanks MMM. The point you make about patriarchy i...Thanks MMM. The point you make about patriarchy is interesting, because when we look at the story about Sodom in Genesis 19, we see that Lot is prepared to offer his daughter rather than see his angelic visitors raped. This raises 2 points: (1) it implies that Lot knew that the men of Sodom were not exclusively homosexual in their taste, but (2) that he treated his daughters as his property rather than independent agents. That patriarchy feeds right the way through the scriptures, so that when we are reading Scripture - assuming, as I do at least, that it is inspired by God - we need to separate out what is cultural commentary and what is divine instruction. St. Paul says explicitly that women must cover their heads in Church - why do we feel free today to ignore this, but accept other cultural habits?<br /><br />We see the negative effects of this Thomistic thinking in Church documents. For example, Homosexualitatis Problema boldly declares that homosexual activity prevents one's fulfilment and happiness (not spiritual, just regular happiness). Now, that is demonstrably false, unless one is claiming that ALL homosexuals are deeply unhappy - anyone who knows any such people will know that that is not the case. So this whole way of thinking about the alleged 'indispensable finality' of acts, and acts having an intrinsic purpose independent of the intentions of the person doing the act, etc etc etc is really at the heart of the problem of our damaged concept of human sexuality. And while most Catholics in the pews will have no real knowledge of the philosophical underpinnings of these doctrines, it is clear to see that they have a profound impact at the practical level since the system of thought has become embedded in Catholic psychology.<br /><br />But things change. How many Catholics, if they are being honest, REALLY believe that someone who masturbates and who dies without having confessed that sin, will go to hell? This is the logic of official doctrine, but only a minuscule number of people believe it. And so it will be with homosexuality in a decade or two from now - experience and a deeper doctrinal development in issues of human sexuality will, I hope, lead to a profound shift in on the ground Catholic thinking on these matters.<br /><br />TRS <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32226073056077797892017-05-18T10:03:20.274+01:002017-05-18T10:03:20.274+01:00According to every single reputable study on the i...According to every single reputable study on the issue, the primary worldwide method for the transmission of HIV is heterosexual penile-vaginal intercourse and the majority of those infected are heterosexual. <br /><br />Are you saying, then, that the incidence of anal sex among the heterosexual population is in fact massively higher than reported, given that you assert that HIV was passed on primarily by anal sex? [You say AIDS but I assume you mean HIV since AIDS is a syndrome of symptoms, not a virus.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32650151620181142202017-05-18T00:30:45.296+01:002017-05-18T00:30:45.296+01:00AIDS was passed on primarily by anal sex and is pr...AIDS was passed on primarily by anal sex and is pretty well exclusive to the homosexual community. I demand a recount!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-5759293119535559672017-05-17T23:39:10.401+01:002017-05-17T23:39:10.401+01:00Yes, and if it weren't for Henry V111 feeling ...Yes, and if it weren't for Henry V111 feeling that it was absolutely fine for him as the King to murder, abuse the women in his life and expect to get away with completing disregarding the marriage laws of the Church, then yes, of course history might have turned out differently. The Pope behaved with bravery and integrity. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-15978870137307911362017-05-17T23:36:40.957+01:002017-05-17T23:36:40.957+01:00To the big, big man, Big Hank ((HUGS)) xx How a ch...To the big, big man, Big Hank ((HUGS)) xx How a child even starts to put their spirit back together again and survive, let alone thrive after such a terrible assault is beyond the understanding of those who have not been similarly assaulted, but not beyond their being moved to compassion, if they've any heart at all. If survivors then turn their pain to love and demands for justice for all victims and searches for the best possible future safeguarding of children and all the vulnerable as you have done, this just further demonstrates the breadth and depth of your being. xxTom Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10935856847562775913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-2664058495747788082017-05-17T23:26:32.918+01:002017-05-17T23:26:32.918+01:00Anon @ 10:46. If I may quote and add to your sente...Anon @ 10:46. If I may quote and add to your sentence above, for I think it goes to the heart of many of the problems of the RC church concerning sexuality.<br />You say: "the reduction of sexual activity to a procreative impulse popularised in Thomist thought has had a profoundly damaging effect on the thinking of catholics on sexual matters". You then describe this as "a bizarre system of thought."<br /><br />Sir, or madam, you are "bang on the money, and I entirely agree.<br />I learned a lot about other cultures' attitudes to sexuality through extensive travels in SE Asia and East Africa. To generalise and sum those up.<br />Those 'non Christian' cultures have much less 'hang-ups' about sexuality than western Christiandom. In those cultures, and probably elsewhere, sex is viewed as a a perfectly normal human appetite, to be enjoyed together with all its preferential varieties, similar to another prevalent appetite concerning foodstuffs and taste. And in that respect, the very same precautionary measures apply, in that some foodstuffs may taste good, but can cause harm, and similarly some sexual preferences can cause harm both to self, and to others.<br />So I think you're entirely right in pointing out the way Thomas Aquinas's dogmatic views have 'screwed up' Christian attitudes to sexuality. Moreover I think it goes back further to St Paul's misplaced misogyny, and is also linked to the patriarchical aspirations of the developing RC hierarchy for power and control over clerics, ordinary church followers and property and possessions in particular.<br />MMMMourneManMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32391178149273483512017-05-17T22:25:23.162+01:002017-05-17T22:25:23.162+01:00Yip she's my soul mate, who understands me mor...Yip she's my soul mate, who understands me more than I do myself. Talking the experience only helps me if I know others can be aware. There's no point in playing a victim for me but to grow, understand and lead.<br />But understand too my wife like most would love to kill me at times for the silly things I do. lolololololololololol Big Hankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937603095036374725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-88940888395825233152017-05-17T20:50:09.906+01:002017-05-17T20:50:09.906+01:00Don't I recall accounts of missals found with ...Don't I recall accounts of missals found with the Sovereign Pontiff's name/title crossed out and with King Harry's name inserted in its place? <br /><br />If it weren't for the Holy Roman emperor breathing down the pope's neck England might have remained Catholic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-25676997898798693702017-05-17T20:29:30.092+01:002017-05-17T20:29:30.092+01:00Hank xx
Talking about your experiences is helping ...Hank xx<br />Talking about your experiences is helping you heal.<br />Your wife must be very proud of you.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-4094233206570091442017-05-17T20:08:15.597+01:002017-05-17T20:08:15.597+01:00Now if you wanna talk anout RAPE then I'm well...Now if you wanna talk anout RAPE then I'm well acquainted with this Demon being raped by a builder at the age of 5 or 6 whilst his so called matesl looked on.<br /><br />I've hoped everyday since that his death ws full off loneliness. My justice will never be done and I always cry out for those who need protecting as I have done even on this blog site a few days ago. Thats another reason why I believe if your LBGT then get out and say so, for there are those who hide behind the LBGT people as evil deviants. Its bad enough that they hide in the hetrosexual world aswell.<br /><br />Battery failing on this so gotta finish the rant and post<br />ByeBig Hankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937603095036374725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-5721644397534547062017-05-17T19:40:53.530+01:002017-05-17T19:40:53.530+01:00Good on you, Hank! That's them told!Good on you, Hank! That's them told! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-46420537656873191072017-05-17T19:15:09.776+01:002017-05-17T19:15:09.776+01:00There's nothing sad about my comment I've ...There's nothing sad about my comment I've never had analsex or a blow job, neither have I forced the woman I LOVE to do, to conform, to obey, to facilitate anything she was uncomfortable with. In any relationship it must be about respect. Basically all of us are different and if anal, missionary or other is offerred given and recieved in love then why condemn, BUT I whole heartedly agree it is RAPE of the first degree by any other means.<br /><br />In saying that I've always wanted to be a little man but never was able to achieve that ever.Big Hankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937603095036374725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-38238928892684820302017-05-17T19:02:44.781+01:002017-05-17T19:02:44.781+01:00I think many on here should try working for a livi...I think many on here should try working for a living <br />Bringing up a family would put all these sexual positions out of ones mind<br />This include you pat... feeling sorry for youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-61561670918744415282017-05-17T19:02:37.396+01:002017-05-17T19:02:37.396+01:00Sad? Really? But with some morals... Sad? Really? But with some morals... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-75106793472291649992017-05-17T19:00:36.558+01:002017-05-17T19:00:36.558+01:00King Henry V111 expected the Church to bend and tw...King Henry V111 expected the Church to bend and twist to suit his demands too. But it didn't happen, not even for someone like him who thought people would jump when he cracked the whip. Nothing the Church hasn't come across before.. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-87686415029220465892017-05-17T18:47:39.256+01:002017-05-17T18:47:39.256+01:00when are we hearing about the church in Ireland pl...when are we hearing about the church in Ireland please - Maynooth update, update on the seminiarians in rome and Kerry? also on the irish diocese? come on PatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32751272836736034572017-05-17T18:33:54.053+01:002017-05-17T18:33:54.053+01:00Hank, you are a sad little man.Hank, you are a sad little man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-6672493881430755832017-05-17T17:49:35.754+01:002017-05-17T17:49:35.754+01:0016.10 You can't have your cake and eat it I...16.10 You can't have your cake and eat it I'm afraid. Anyone ministering or otherwise in this so called "ICC" will imagine, be shunned by the RC Church and rightly so. It's not an a la Cartey menu to pick and choose from. That's the reality, sad though you may find it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-64872048973839212392017-05-17T17:45:35.158+01:002017-05-17T17:45:35.158+01:00Its a position I have never tried nor have I ever...Its a position I have never tried nor have I ever experienced a blowjob, but who am I to condemn what satisfying for a sexual wanting brain. Big Hankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937603095036374725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-65246176622805087772017-05-17T17:19:00.155+01:002017-05-17T17:19:00.155+01:00People like me will not get near Francis.
I used ...People like me will not get near Francis.<br /><br />I used to hope / think the RC church would change and reform.<br /><br />I have lost hope of that.Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-15582233965390419582017-05-17T16:53:20.693+01:002017-05-17T16:53:20.693+01:00So I can be an active RC and also a member of your...So I can be an active RC and also a member of your church?<br />TBH I wd have preferred if you had challenged pope Frankie when he comes here...so that he wd have takenuback into the foldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com