tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post4977308555453911779..comments2024-03-12T19:57:41.861+00:00Comments on THINKING CATHOLICISM: POPE FRANCIS - "CHANGE OUR FATHER"Thinking Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-14950448938134913912017-12-11T10:24:09.960+00:002017-12-11T10:24:09.960+00:00Pat: you ask about looking at matters in a rationa...Pat: you ask about looking at matters in a rational way.<br />If I were to join those who believe in a Creator God, I would thank Him/Her/It for the great gift of a brain, and the ability to use it. And using it, I would struggle to find any semblance of significant purpose, sense or reason behind the reality of humankind's existence and lot here on planet earth as a manifestation of God's "love" for we humans.<br />I feel obliged to use my rationality, howsoever it has come about. And having done so, I have to say I find the evidence very heavily stacked against any belief in a creator god.<br />Unless of course I abandon the gift of reason and in some misguided supplicant posture succumb to the false palliative of religious belief.<br />MMMMourneManMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-51846411411516972032017-12-10T22:49:32.540+00:002017-12-10T22:49:32.540+00:00Quite right. The Greek "me hemas eisenenkhas ...Quite right. The Greek "me hemas eisenenkhas eis ton peirasmon" means exactly the same as the Latin "ne nos inducas in tentationem" and the English "lead us not into temptation". The Irish "ná lig sinn i gcathú" is close to the change made in the French (from "ne nous soumets pas à la tentation" to "ne nous laisse pas entrer en tentation".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-25084385815647736222017-12-10T22:33:04.962+00:002017-12-10T22:33:04.962+00:0013.53
It may come as a surprise to you to realise ...13.53<br />It may come as a surprise to you to realise the church has never said that any individual human being is in hell. <br />Your question is valid. Where does evil come from? <br /><br />For what it’s worth my position is that evil is a necessary consequence of God’s giving us freedom or freewill. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-73462200664630752792017-12-10T20:42:46.466+00:002017-12-10T20:42:46.466+00:00Douai not a translation of Aramaic, friend. Douai not a translation of Aramaic, friend. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-58752971319410851182017-12-10T20:41:35.404+00:002017-12-10T20:41:35.404+00:00So Jesus taught the Douay version?
And Mary said t...So Jesus taught the Douay version?<br />And Mary said the rosary. <br /><br />Anachronisms both, wouldn’t you say!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-16145351930638464072017-12-10T20:37:08.811+00:002017-12-10T20:37:08.811+00:00The eye if the beholder springs to mind. The eye if the beholder springs to mind. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-22873461800917878722017-12-10T20:15:05.715+00:002017-12-10T20:15:05.715+00:00I have seen Pope Francis smile with great tenderne...I have seen Pope Francis smile with great tenderness at people who had travelled distances to see him in spite of illness or disabilities.<br />I have noticed bullying herd behaviour on this blog.. One person starts off the stinging criticism and then we get Open Season with each poster trying to outdo the previous one to come up with more and more nasty comments. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-103150466429639802017-12-10T19:10:08.750+00:002017-12-10T19:10:08.750+00:00Francis' smile is fake, it never reaches the e...Francis' smile is fake, it never reaches the eyes. He looks like Genial Harry Grout from Porridge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-60439578395699572992017-12-10T18:37:47.261+00:002017-12-10T18:37:47.261+00:00A few points:
1. Deism is a term used to refer to ...A few points:<br />1. Deism is a term used to refer to a direction which elements of Christianity took in the 17th and 18th centuries. Its principal characteristic is the belief that once God had created the world, God left it to its own devices and remained at a remove, so to speak. <br /><br />The major issue you raise is as old as religion, i.e. theodicy, or the issue of evil and the God of love, as one author put it. It’s slso an issue that some biblical writers trued to grapple with, notable, but by no means, exclusively, the aithor of Job. Some prophetic books too. <br /><br />You are being more than cynical in your remarks about making a fine living from Adam & Eve. Every reader who accepts the scientific approach to the bible know that the genre of these stories is etiology: an attempt to account for howwegot here. So, Gen 1-11 falls into this category , myth, not science. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-1179131441421875982017-12-10T18:27:36.584+00:002017-12-10T18:27:36.584+00:00Max Clifford RIP Max Clifford RIP Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-9190142465955896382017-12-10T18:21:42.590+00:002017-12-10T18:21:42.590+00:00No. No. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-58800119157242728902017-12-10T18:21:11.111+00:002017-12-10T18:21:11.111+00:00But some gullible folk believe everything they rea...But some gullible folk believe everything they read... They seem unaware of the "fake news" phenomenon. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-4391151500595646692017-12-10T18:18:45.354+00:002017-12-10T18:18:45.354+00:00You predicted correctly poster 12.33
You predicted correctly poster 12.33<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-89364138400109820162017-12-10T18:16:02.062+00:002017-12-10T18:16:02.062+00:00Anything else derogatory you could come up with? Y...Anything else derogatory you could come up with? You have shown quite an imagination already. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-13935197202873939852017-12-10T18:12:48.174+00:002017-12-10T18:12:48.174+00:00There are a lot of people like that but it is a tr...There are a lot of people like that but it is a true saying that pride comes before a fall. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-7796676702162001242017-12-10T17:53:08.998+00:002017-12-10T17:53:08.998+00:00Saw that. Never knew him or talked to him.
From f...Saw that. Never knew him or talked to him.<br /><br />From fame and wealth to disgrace and death in a prison cell.<br /><br />Thought provoking.<br /><br />Foolishly he thought he could never fall.Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-90085458009662227192017-12-10T17:40:10.798+00:002017-12-10T17:40:10.798+00:00For poster@ 13.34
. You're obviously the sort ...For poster@ 13.34<br />. You're obviously the sort of person for whom everything needs to be spelt out (otherwise you wouldn't get it..)<br />So, especially for you--<br />No, not specifically Aramaic but the usual Douay close translation of it.<br />And yes - -we do have that.<br />If you need further help, continue to try and explain your difficulties. I am sure there's always someone around with the patience but it won't be me! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-68725609299862002502017-12-10T15:32:12.176+00:002017-12-10T15:32:12.176+00:00MMM, your comments are always most rational.
But ...MMM, your comments are always most rational.<br /><br />But can EVERYTHING be looked at in a purely rational way?<br /><br />As someone trying to be a Christian I place great emphasis on the Bible - though never taking it literally - as, for me, the God I believe in speaks through it to me.<br /><br />Of course I also know I all all religions have many contradictions and nonsense.<br /><br />I also know all about the money changers in the temple.<br /><br />But at times a bit of scripture creates in me the same sensation as a musical masterpiece, a work of art, a heroic individual, a glass of good wine etc does.<br /><br />It is horses for courses - once their is no abuse involved.Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-13461953830051938632017-12-10T15:21:06.057+00:002017-12-10T15:21:06.057+00:00A@13:53 you make some interesting points so thank ...A@13:53 you make some interesting points so thank you.<br />As a non believer in deism, Christian or otherwise, had I not some understanding of the psychological and social imperatives of childhood and tribal environmental conditioning, I would be amazed at the reliance <br />Christians place on such a controversial collection of writings collectively <br />called the bible. <br /><br /><br />Having said that, even accepting parts of it as having a significant validity, the contradiction between an all powerful loving God as the Prime Mover and Origin of all creation, and the existence of the reality of evil must certainly <br />raise questions about the various interpretations, explanations and beliefs put forward by religious believers.<br />And referring back to Adam, Eden, original sin etc: mythological convolutions! Nevertheless, many clerics make a fine living out of perpetuating the myths capitalising on human frailty with continued 'smoke <br />and mirrors!'<br />MMMMourneManMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-44352843137387651462017-12-10T14:30:12.101+00:002017-12-10T14:30:12.101+00:00Really? And the convlave elected him. Really? And the convlave elected him. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-46756050111282405282017-12-10T13:53:33.695+00:002017-12-10T13:53:33.695+00:00Pat religious language is human language. If enou...Pat religious language is human language. If enough people want to call God mother then encourage them. The Church of Sweden has decided to use gender neutral language in relation to God. I am totally disgusted how the feeling of many women that God is portrayed as male and they feel excluded does not bother you. Religion is for people not people for religion which is why bad dodgy doctrines should be dropped. As for the lead us not into temptation the fact remains that most Christians do not see God as that good. People believe the faith teaches that God vindictively tortures sinners forever in Hell. God gets the blame for killing babies and the Bible says, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” Isaiah 45:7. Somebody creates the evil impulse so no matter anybody says God has far more to do with temptation and the evil impulse than Satan or whoever. It is actually disturbing how a faith with such terrible doctrines and sexists can have so much power. Nobody has the right to ignore those problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-73408737187837835652017-12-10T13:36:24.622+00:002017-12-10T13:36:24.622+00:00I see you good friend, Max Clifford is dead, Pat. ...I see you good friend, Max Clifford is dead, Pat. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-29296010306910089522017-12-10T13:35:29.693+00:002017-12-10T13:35:29.693+00:00He has a volcanic temper behind the scenes, even w...He has a volcanic temper behind the scenes, even waiters and drivers get blasted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-26913345074749181522017-12-10T13:34:58.798+00:002017-12-10T13:34:58.798+00:00In Aramaic? Unfortunately we don’t have it. In Aramaic? Unfortunately we don’t have it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-60004321432365395322017-12-10T12:43:19.681+00:002017-12-10T12:43:19.681+00:00The current debate is wholesome and is actually an...The current debate is wholesome and is actually an argument for keeping the translation. It stimulating discussion and showing that the words people use in prayer matter to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com