tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post5163151053367396851..comments2024-03-12T19:57:41.861+00:00Comments on THINKING CATHOLICISM: Thinking Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-20377832837606849372017-12-08T13:52:40.807+00:002017-12-08T13:52:40.807+00:00oops, wrong thread. Anyway the quote is from the i...oops, wrong thread. Anyway the quote is from the iffy Encyclopedia of Mental Disorders, not from DSMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-70122597271126435892017-12-08T10:45:27.245+00:002017-12-08T10:45:27.245+00:00" A pedophile is often very attractive to the..." A pedophile is often very attractive to the children who are potential victims. " I think this sort of sentence will be categorized as hate speech once a rational psychological understanding has been reestablished. http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html<br /><br />Is this in fact from the DSM manual or some other source?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-29431495260321530892017-12-06T22:12:24.949+00:002017-12-06T22:12:24.949+00:00http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-422575...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42257548Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-79206559872399762932017-12-06T22:08:15.743+00:002017-12-06T22:08:15.743+00:00That is such good news!That is such good news!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-18570192216532659252017-12-06T22:05:39.565+00:002017-12-06T22:05:39.565+00:00Pat, are you hearing anything about more scandal i...Pat, are you hearing anything about more scandal in Down and Connor?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-16755190114639604042017-12-06T19:05:13.326+00:002017-12-06T19:05:13.326+00:00From my experience, the Church excels in denial an...From my experience, the Church excels in denial and minimalisation. It didn't happen and if it did...it doesn't really matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-50352286182923006962017-12-06T18:33:28.329+00:002017-12-06T18:33:28.329+00:00Laurence Soper of Ealing Abbey has been found guil...Laurence Soper of Ealing Abbey has been found guilty today. At one time he had 182000 in a Vatican bank account....so not much chastity or poverty there!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-56192168383919561992017-12-06T13:56:08.238+00:002017-12-06T13:56:08.238+00:00Excellent comment MMM.Excellent comment MMM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-4559907775179683692017-12-06T12:23:25.009+00:002017-12-06T12:23:25.009+00:00Thanks, MMM @ 11:53.Thanks, MMM @ 11:53.Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-2905582748878795862017-12-06T11:55:25.556+00:002017-12-06T11:55:25.556+00:00A good post, 11:26. In fact, very good.
Is there ...A good post, 11:26. In fact, very good.<br /><br />Is there really such a thing as sin? Yes and no.Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-44083079186924201112017-12-06T11:53:31.922+00:002017-12-06T11:53:31.922+00:00I have been involved, but largely from the assessm...I have been involved, but largely from the assessment of 'dangerousness', from perspective of children's safety/protection from potential abuse.<br />My professional practice/knowledge is very many years 'out of date', but given that human nature won't have changed very much certain absolutes remain:<br />Believe nothing (From the abuser) without proof.<br />Rehabilitation is a non starter without full and frank admissions of guilt, acceptance of full responsibility, absence of 'blaming the victim, acknowledgement of propensity to further abuse combined with self awareness and resolve to avoid putting oneself in potentially abusing scenarios (eg being alone with minors).<br /><br />There are other factors to weigh up. I consciously say weigh up, for in assessments, for the safety of the children, the scales must weigh heavily against the abuser, and avoiding the dangerous "rule of optimism " assessment must be evidence based, and certainly not on giving the 'benefit of the doubt '.<br />The points I've given are based on my recollection of research largely by the probation services in USA and UK and derived from work with convicted abusers. Utter deviousness was a prevalent factor among abusers.<br />I do not believe "therapy will "cure" all abusers. Perhaps there's a parallel with alcoholism in that the abuser has to acknowledge a likely potential to abuse and consciously and permanently determine to remove him/her self from all likely temptation. <br />MMM MournemanMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-42613133188684529252017-12-06T11:26:45.594+00:002017-12-06T11:26:45.594+00:00Christian morality is a pile of show and hot air. ...Christian morality is a pile of show and hot air. The paedophile gets a loophole with, "I thought God helped me be in control" and "Its not much of a sin if an urge came over me. It may not be a sin at all in fact."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-66209806489808176422017-12-06T11:08:12.119+00:002017-12-06T11:08:12.119+00:00Thank you.
Thank you.<br /><br />Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-14807711915051067952017-12-06T10:58:23.274+00:002017-12-06T10:58:23.274+00:00I have ministered to many victims and a few abuser...I have ministered to many victims and a few abusers.<br /><br />I have sat in on group therapy for abusers run by the Probation Board.<br /><br />There is no "cure" for a sexual attraction.<br /><br />There is life long management - a bit like AA.<br /><br />It involves regular meetings for life.<br /><br />In Belfast there is a Sex Anonymous group.<br /><br />One married man I referred to it for sexual addiction to prostitutes has found it very helpful.<br /><br />All therapy is successful/unsuccessful depending on the ability of the therapist and the real commitment of the client.Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-86668933065783075382017-12-06T10:49:17.907+00:002017-12-06T10:49:17.907+00:00I agree with you completely, Bishop Pat.
I wonder...I agree with you completely, Bishop Pat.<br /><br />I wonder is there a blog reader who knows about such therapy, or, better still, has been involved in administering it professionally. How informed is it? How effective is it?Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-56684522387518395292017-12-06T10:36:30.784+00:002017-12-06T10:36:30.784+00:00Magna, you are quite rightly asking an important q...Magna, you are quite rightly asking an important question.<br /><br />These are the steps I think appropriate:<br /><br />1. Listen to the victim's full story.<br /><br />2. Refer the matter immediately to the police for investigation.<br /><br />3. Get the victim counselling and help.<br /><br />4. Remove the priest, until the matter is resolved, from ministry - giving him the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.<br /><br />5. Let the courts deal with the priest. If he is found guilty permanently remove him, if innocent restore him and his good name.<br /><br />6. A guilty priest should be punished by the courts and given the opportunity to engage in therapy.<br /><br />7. If the priests is proven guilty, give the victim generous compensation and continuing support.<br /><br />It is important to offer all abusers therapy in the hope that such therapy will stop them reoffending.<br /><br />Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-63354127593996794732017-12-06T10:08:49.826+00:002017-12-06T10:08:49.826+00:00Spot on!Spot on!Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-63209936115778062592017-12-06T10:08:03.477+00:002017-12-06T10:08:03.477+00:00A priest once asked me (of clerics who sexually ab...A priest once asked me (of clerics who sexually abuse children): how responsible are they?<br /><br />His question made me angry; it then made me think. Are these men driven by urges so strong that they are largely uncontrollable?<br /><br />I am not attempting to make excuses for abusive behaviour, nor am I including sexual predators. I am thinking of those men who know that acting upon these urges is morally, and deeply, wrong, but who know that they are driven by a sexual compulsion. Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-37146113339615142012017-12-06T10:03:52.818+00:002017-12-06T10:03:52.818+00:00Is it possible that some of these guys because of ...Is it possible that some of these guys because of the environment they live in are not aware of the gravity and consequences of some of their actions. This is not an excuse but I have a feeling that some "churchy types" live in cloud cuckoo land without realising. The sooner proper reform happens the better.Fly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-11048357491682637312017-12-06T09:51:17.972+00:002017-12-06T09:51:17.972+00:00Anon @ 01:33: that the Principal kept him in cont...Anon @ 01:33: that the Principal kept him in contact with potential targets,and that Grant Ferris appears to have little insight into the effects of his abuse, is once again a demonstration of how little understanding RC clerics in general have of the true insidious nature and effects of sexual abuse.<br />It could be said that the notion of "sin" predominates their thinking to the extent that once the "magic formulae of confession/absolution" is involved, the "unfortunate slip from" grace is remedied, and that's all that is necessary. There's no understanding of the recidivist nature of the sexual abuser, and even less of the impact upon victims.<br />MMMMourneManMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-55124202626376337842017-12-06T01:33:07.926+00:002017-12-06T01:33:07.926+00:00I get the impression that this priest still does n...I get the impression that this priest still does not fully appreciate the gravity of his offences or of the devastating effect he has had on young people's lives. Rather,he attempts to create a fan base for himself while he is in gaol and confidently presumes he will have a high degree of support and popularity even to the extent of making other prisoners jealous!<br />It was a very shortsighted misjudgement on the part of the Principal to employ him in the school shop, a place where he was still in daily contact with potential victims. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com