tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post524219305454011429..comments2024-03-12T19:57:41.861+00:00Comments on THINKING CATHOLICISM: MAGDALEN LAUNDRY SURVIVOR SPEAKSThinking Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-8598904847080670712017-03-22T23:38:09.502+00:002017-03-22T23:38:09.502+00:00Are we not as bad as theses places like the Tumeba...Are we not as bad as theses places like the Tumebaby scandal who are we to point the finger at when we abort baby ever day send woman away;tearing the poor babies away from their mothers woman and dumping them into the waste bin not even a burial for them. The poor women sent home with nothing only guilt and shame how dare we point the finger at any organisation. Have we learnt anything nothing. Pat I have been reading your blog for some time now and I have not seen one bit of compassion or mercy is this not what Jesus's is about. Your other writers would need to take a good look at themselves and hold there head in shame. I am no angel but everyone deserves a second chance do they not. Thanks be to God it will be him that will judge. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-71592613570036000512017-03-22T22:10:42.491+00:002017-03-22T22:10:42.491+00:00I think you may have meant to say "ostracised...I think you may have meant to say "ostracised"? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-76465193041753801082017-03-22T22:07:43.354+00:002017-03-22T22:07:43.354+00:00What a welcome breath of fresh air! "Highligh...What a welcome breath of fresh air! "Highlight the good" <br />That's is precisely what is sorely needed. Thank you for that, Sean. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-75763704440539834462017-03-22T21:45:52.377+00:002017-03-22T21:45:52.377+00:00The blog is getting boring. Time for some gay scan...The blog is getting boring. Time for some gay scandal for comic relief.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-44672246569249667692017-03-22T20:21:55.613+00:002017-03-22T20:21:55.613+00:00Which schools, I mean?Which schools, I mean?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-57558035651432288212017-03-22T20:08:30.086+00:002017-03-22T20:08:30.086+00:00Sisters if "Mercy" in Carlow :-)
"...Sisters if "Mercy" in Carlow :-)<br /><br />"Christian" Brothers in Dublin :-)Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32975931924579874222017-03-22T20:05:21.587+00:002017-03-22T20:05:21.587+00:00Pat, where did you go to school?Pat, where did you go to school?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-74114203935526972212017-03-22T19:11:09.965+00:002017-03-22T19:11:09.965+00:0014.01 There is logic in what you say. This blog ha...14.01 There is logic in what you say. This blog has highlighted much of what is wrong with the church. Pat has done much to identify needs. There is a big shouting match and they carry on doing what they please. The best response is witness. Highlight the good. Present people with a realistic and viable alternative. People then have options to choose fromFly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-35079446810782755382017-03-22T19:00:17.978+00:002017-03-22T19:00:17.978+00:00Your kind of vicious school experience was not unc...Your kind of vicious school experience was not uncommon, Jane. Sadly, the institutional Church turned a condoning eye to much of this cruelty.<br /><br />But its day has come and... . Well, it is going, at any rate.<br /><br />I am no fan of Marie Stopes clinics, but I do agree with at least one comment Marie Stopes made: 'the tyranny of Roman Catholicism'. And so it was, with its worldly, hierarchical, mammon-and-God model of Church. <br /><br />But if any Roman Catholic cleric is stupid enough (and, God knows, there still are many such) to think that the Church remains a hierarchy after that old, discredited model, then he needs to think again. Of course, he can't think again, since he is so stupid. Which is why this institution will continue to lurch from one crisis to the next.Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-71291281915855830452017-03-22T17:57:26.751+00:002017-03-22T17:57:26.751+00:00There has been a dreadful dualism in the church. A...There has been a dreadful dualism in the church. All the good was in the bishops, priests and nuns...all the sin was in the laity. It has never been true. The church has often acted like the playground bully. The laity were not educated and were impressed by their fancy clothes and incompressible language. We had a teacher at school, who looking back, probably was totally unbalanced. We were thumped, winded,dragged round by our hair not because we had done anything wrong it was just that she could not control her temper. He brother was high up in the Dominicans, so nothing was done. If anyone said anything they were told they had committed "calumny and detraction". That terrified us even more. We were seven years old. The church has done some foul things to people....with God on their side.janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480966555246917336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-18615500214347346782017-03-22T16:21:23.589+00:002017-03-22T16:21:23.589+00:009 .02
I don't believe for one moment that our ...9 .02<br />I don't believe for one moment that our families cast out their pregnant daughters.<br />It was the families religious upbringing and venom spouted from the altar that caused theses girls to be ostersized.....yes I remember the "" missions'" and the shouting from the pulpit<br />I'm almost 80 and I know of ninty year old women who kept their illegitimate<br />children within the family and my own mother supported her niece<br />who had a baby very young....but these were the exceptions<br />Thank you Jane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32887504482771972502017-03-22T15:03:15.911+00:002017-03-22T15:03:15.911+00:0014.18 I totally agree with you. Bishop Pat does a ...14.18 I totally agree with you. Bishop Pat does a good job. He should not have put up with this abuse.janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480966555246917336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-3778047483492991092017-03-22T14:18:27.422+00:002017-03-22T14:18:27.422+00:00Pat, can we just have comments on your blog publis...Pat, can we just have comments on your blog published.<br />Trolling and comments about you personally I have no wish to read<br />Loving your blogs, keep up your insightful Posts<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-47147405302029677262017-03-22T14:01:23.682+00:002017-03-22T14:01:23.682+00:00Pat is your blog solely on ridicule of the Church,...Pat is your blog solely on ridicule of the Church, there much be some good that you can highlight on? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-43325474768992598512017-03-22T11:42:21.041+00:002017-03-22T11:42:21.041+00:00A temperate, objective and timely comment. Other ...A temperate, objective and timely comment. Other than when you say :"we let them" no doubt referring to our forefathers, I agree with much you say. Thank you <br />MMMMournemanMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-28575685893557145492017-03-22T09:02:49.565+00:002017-03-22T09:02:49.565+00:00Painful as this account is to read, and I cannot b...Painful as this account is to read, and I cannot begin to imagine what those experiences do to a human being, you cannot detach the existence of these institutions and the cruel bishops, priests and nuns who ran them from the overall context of Ireland post 1916. The nascent state was bankrupt, without any provision for any sort of social service or welfare. The people were largely uneducated and ignorant, and that included the clergy and religious, and people where deeply intolerant of difference or social stigma (read David Norris's excellent and moving account of growing up as a gay man in Dublin in the 50's to see what I mean). The women who got pregnant outside of marriage, or who had a reputation for being "easy with their virtues" as the nuns used to say, would have been cast out by their families and left to die on the streets, had it not been for the existence of these places. Harsh, cruel and barbaric - yes all these things, and more, but by the standards of the time actually better than starving to death on the street and being spat upon by the likes of our grandparents, who no doubt where kissing the altar rails at the same time. Ireland is just beginning to emerge from the toxic blend of religiosity, superstition , ignorance and fear that have characterised her priest-ridden people for centuries. Thank God. But these priests and nuns where not from another planet; not landed here from another solar system; no they were our sons and daughters. We made them. Ultimately we too are all responsible for the crimes they committed and the crimes we let them commit on our behalf while we turned the other way. It is only in facing up to our part in this misery that true healing can begin. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-11480206673025947262017-03-22T08:54:30.537+00:002017-03-22T08:54:30.537+00:00I can only admire this lady and drop a jaw at the ...I can only admire this lady and drop a jaw at the way she was treated. But as me mammy used to say talk is cheap. One of my aunts was born in Killarney and at an early age disappeared into the care of the sisters of Mercy in Athlone. Her dad must have been posh because to this day she has no notion who he was. The civil birth cert is blank on the father's name and the convent was not able to give any further insight. My aunt never said much about her time there except she helped look after the older sisters at one stage. She thought she had a vocation and spent some time in the U S On returning home she went to work for a family in Co Roscommon. It was there she met and married my uncle. They moved to the UK as many Irish did. When I left Ireland I stayed at her house for 12 months and owe her a great deal of thanks. She and her daughter went to a reunion in Athlone some years ago but still no inkling of who her dad was. If I noticed anything about her it is that up to the present day she is always doing for other people and finds it very difficult to be assertive. Perhaps this is one of the traits embedded into the young people of the dayFly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-24398006312487267442017-03-22T07:11:43.249+00:002017-03-22T07:11:43.249+00:00It is a little ironic pat that you post Matthew, f...It is a little ironic pat that you post Matthew, false prohpets and what not. The absolute irony!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-22708588973363211352017-03-22T00:28:40.745+00:002017-03-22T00:28:40.745+00:00Yes, Mrs Cronin was a genuinely good soul. Her ...Yes, Mrs Cronin was a genuinely good soul. Her 'chance' meeting with Mary on the day of her release from High Park was scarcely that, a chance occurrence. And yet, if God inspire the meeting between Mary and her Good Samaritan, why did he intervene so late in the day? Why not sooner? Troubling but legitimate questions for any Christian.<br /><br />As for the priest-bastardo who raped her, I expect he was never held to account for it? Did those 'Mercy' nuns suspect him of this terrible crime? I wonder.Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.com