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Sola Scriptural
No Organisation, chur...39 Articles <br />Sola Scriptural<br />No Organisation, church or otherwise can survive without tradition.<br />Denies Purgatory<br />'It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they might be released from their sins.'?<br />He was a heretic, an adulterer, a murderer, - probably a mass murderer - and en exceptional thief.<br />Those who mostly followed him - Cromwell etc. Did so for personal gain rather bring God's creation to its ideal fulfilment.<br />A house built on sand?<br />I am no historian - Luther had legitimate grievances - indulgence scandals - but he also went his own way married etc<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-64467998503488931832016-12-01T14:24:01.029+00:002016-12-01T14:24:01.029+00:00'Until then he is guilty as charged'. Are...'Until then he is guilty as charged'. Are you pining the Middle Ages and not quite caught up with the new-fangled modern concepts of justice? Did you support the witch trials at Salem as well perhaps? As for "Co. Tyrone", come now, we are not thrown off the scent by a device as obvious as that - you must try harder:-)) Co.OffalyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-15292211838165085232016-12-01T10:05:09.667+00:002016-12-01T10:05:09.667+00:00Thanks Sean xThanks Sean xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-55049816265226031452016-12-01T09:31:17.312+00:002016-12-01T09:31:17.312+00:00Secrecy clauses in documents such as laicization s...Secrecy clauses in documents such as laicization say you can not reveal the contents of the document...,.(or else!... what?)Fly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-12525796889414326172016-12-01T09:29:11.791+00:002016-12-01T09:29:11.791+00:00All I can think of is Stephen Hawking who wrote A ...All I can think of is Stephen Hawking who wrote A Brief History Of Time among other things?? Also check out George Frederic Watts painting called Hope. ("Non religious search for God) Hope this helps๐๐Fly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-71196120888776228502016-12-01T07:52:27.050+00:002016-12-01T07:52:27.050+00:00I would be very interested to hear from this coupl...I would be very interested to hear from this couple if they don't use 'artificial' contraception. Obviously a couple can still use 'natural' family planning. My mom taught this method, and even as a child I could see it was bizarrely unnatural. It seems so obvious now that a woman will most want sex when she is most likely to get pregnant, which is the exact time you have to abstain!<br />Incidentally reading the above article ir seems sex ir a relationship didn't come into it at all and the priest entered a civil partnership simply to enable someone else to stay in the UKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-78971951641292299522016-11-30T23:20:54.759+00:002016-11-30T23:20:54.759+00:00Sean or anybody
What is the Hawkins book That give...Sean or anybody<br />What is the Hawkins book That gives a different perspective on life<br />Met a man who says he thinks this way<br />He is agnosticAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32291547861142840212016-11-30T22:22:28.186+00:002016-11-30T22:22:28.186+00:00Ordinary people, at least those in western countri...Ordinary people, at least those in western countries, have already initiated change: many no longer believe not just in the Church but in Christianity and in Jesus Christ. They do not regard themselves as having or needing a Saviour. To the extent they have any form of Christian belief it is that each man/woman can make his/her own rules to suit their individual preferences in life and their personal requirements, and avail (or not) of such Church services and rituals as may be convenient from time to time. In many parishes the average age of the Sunday congregation seems to be 45+. Young folks will turn up at FHC and Confirmation but on the whole stay away when outside the scope of parental supervision. So mothers are not saying to their children 'do not go into the priesthood' because the children have no interest in doing so in the first place. The fact that Christianity is ebbing from the west is recognised by the Pope in his recent new appointments to the cardinalate. Of the 13 eligible to vote in the next conclave 2/3rds are from outside the western world. The Church in the west was always going to have a hard struggle in the face of the material prosperity of its western adherents. But as long as it retained moral authority it still had the ear of ordinary people even though they might disagree with some of its teachings. But today no-one bothers to listen. Even the clergy make up their own versions of Christianity. The Catholic Church is fissured into as many factions as cracks in a badly plastered wall. But all this happened before, though in a different context: it would have been inconceivable to someone standing in the forum in Rome in 100AD that some day in the long distant future nothing would remain of Rome and its empire - the super EU - except fragmentary remnants: not the nation, or the government or the laws or the treaties or the currency or the slaves or the language or the army or the victories and the glory or the traditions or the supreme self-confidence or the unsurpassed palaces and villas, the engineering excellence, or the wealth and power that has never been equalled. Athlone AndyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-42724564559644286542016-11-30T20:52:26.825+00:002016-11-30T20:52:26.825+00:00Gosh, 20.06 what a rant! Have you something to pro...Gosh, 20.06 what a rant! Have you something to prove? I believe, like other commentators, you are part of the Rory fan club or even Rory himself. There is only one person to put the record straight (wrong turn of phrase) but that's Rory himself. He's never denied being caught with his knickers around his ankles! Ask your friend Rory to deny it. Until then he is guilty as charged. Co. TyroneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-87045434810188886122016-11-30T20:50:21.531+00:002016-11-30T20:50:21.531+00:00What are the secrecy clausesWhat are the secrecy clausesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-23064220557134363012016-11-30T20:45:23.742+00:002016-11-30T20:45:23.742+00:0019.57 Never say never, if men stop going to theses...19.57 Never say never, if men stop going to theses seminaries, things will surely have to change<br />Why do people not know that people, yes just ordinary people can initiate<br />change. Priesthood is in a downward spiral<br />Many mothers are now saying to their children<br />Please do not go into the priesthoodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-4431075054077711372016-11-30T20:17:32.995+00:002016-11-30T20:17:32.995+00:00Pat, was just reading about the Priest with nine c...Pat, was just reading about the Priest with nine children. He said he went to a Seminary in Chelsea, is it the same place that a Seminarian claimed to have got a STD from a member of staff. I also wondered if this is Westminister's Seminary in Chelsea, if so the then current Bishop of Plymouth was a member of staff there and then rector of Chelsea. He has taken on the Priest with nine children in his diocese. The Bishop must have been aware of the gay goings on in Chelsea. Many say it was worse than Maynooth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-21351087257934062702016-11-30T20:09:47.586+00:002016-11-30T20:09:47.586+00:00Celibacy is a control mechanism and a money saving...Celibacy is a control mechanism and a money saving exercise in the church. Why does so much of the Canon law have a secrecy clause attached. Fly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-53912577123245941392016-11-30T20:06:43.719+00:002016-11-30T20:06:43.719+00:00I'm not sure Pat, how would they know them? I...I'm not sure Pat, how would they know them? I think you have rather missed the point. <br /><br />I did not say it was a half-wit using these terms. I said there are MANY halfwits who believe every single thing anyone chooses to post on these pages, without having the intelligence to notice the vast discrepancies in the story. And about this story, yes there are huge discrepancies in the accounts given. This needs to be addressed. <br /><br />Anyone can say anything. And for that reason the onus is on the BLOG to do its background checks. not to rely on the off-chance that someone might read it and issue a denial. <br /><br />"Stop this nonsense asking for proof". Are you kidding me? The onus is on a person publishing a story to get their facts rights, NOT on anyone else to come along and disprove it. It is quite one thing to hint at a 'rolling story' - I have always appreciated that about the blog. But there is a red line.<br /><br />And no I don't find it at all strange that the editor of the Irish News hasn't been trawling these pages. You seriously think Rory is going to read the abuse on here? <br /><br />Since denials are all the rage:<br /><br />-I am not Rory. Have never met him. I am not his alleged 'friend'. If I was, I would not be posting comments on this blog but would consider that, having nothing else to lose, I might as well take legal action. But probably he does not want to draw further attention to himself, and it is unjust for anyone to rely on that and use it as a 'carte-blanche' to defame (potentially).<br />-Have never to my knowledge met a priest of Armagh diocese.<br />-It is entirely possible to consider that a man has sinned gravely but nevertheless stand up for a sense of fairness in his treatment.<br />-This episode has moved from RC breaking his vows to being a 'reviled pervert' on the basis of ZERO information. As a Catholic, like nearly all readers of this blog, that is not an acceptable way in which to behave.<br /><br />So now, could we have a clear statement - for the benefit of the gullible - that the information provided had one source - an anonymous poster on the blog?<br /><br />If it would help to illustrate the point, please do let me know if you would like me to create some random fictional information about one of the persons starring on the blog. We can then watch the outrage and the revulsion. And then dramatically reveal - ONLY JOKING!<br /><br />But of course I don't expect any of this to be published so I might as well just email Pat directly as no-one else will read it. Am I right? Thought so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-9300869242474422272016-11-30T19:57:44.157+00:002016-11-30T19:57:44.157+00:00Optional celibacy has been discussed more or less ...Optional celibacy has been discussed more or less seriously for over fifty years. This discussion has been about the possible ordination of married men. Never at any point has there been the smallest chance that priests would ever be "allowed" to marry after ordination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-82322734551681692092016-11-30T18:51:22.390+00:002016-11-30T18:51:22.390+00:0015.31 You protest too much about the snowballing a...15.31 You protest too much about the snowballing and fetching! Are you in fact Rory or maybe his friend who wanted to have a threesome. No one has yet denied it, not Rory and not even the Editor of the Irish News who holds all the evidence. Don't you find that a tad strange? Stop this nonsense asking for proof as it insults people's intelligence. You said it was basically a half wit with no intelligence using these sexual terms. I never knew them until they appeared on this Blog, many others commenting never knew them. So how could a half wit as you claim, with no intelligence possibly know them Rory?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-71642748881344186592016-11-30T18:37:32.759+00:002016-11-30T18:37:32.759+00:00That is a huge oversimplification of the establish...That is a huge oversimplification of the establishment of the Church of England. Henry VIII's adulterous 'marriages' were the trigger for its establishment, but there had been a groundswell of protestant agitation in England prior to that. So Henry VIII was able to utilise that sentiment and capitalise on it to achieve his own ends. If one looks at the 39 Articles, they are a solid expression of reformed doctrine. <br /><br />How Anglo-Catholics resolve their position within the Church of England in light of this is what puzzles me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32002031158179267702016-11-30T18:01:44.990+00:002016-11-30T18:01:44.990+00:00I have gotten a hellava lot wiser since meeting y...I have gotten a hellava lot wiser since meeting you on here, Pat<br />Thanks for your very enlightening blogsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-41011987240759777912016-11-30T17:42:01.961+00:002016-11-30T17:42:01.961+00:00When you hear anyone spoken ill of, consider the a...When you hear anyone spoken ill of, consider the accusation doubtful if you can do so justly. ... Or change the subject of conversation, recalling that those who do not fall into sin owe it all to God's grace. - St. Francis de SalesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-37459355728985991382016-11-30T17:39:19.549+00:002016-11-30T17:39:19.549+00:00I agree. Especially as repeating what seems to be...I agree. Especially as repeating what seems to be an inaccurate story appears to be rather unwholesome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32247533571876644022016-11-30T17:26:45.676+00:002016-11-30T17:26:45.676+00:00Pat with the greatest respect the issue in the Iri...Pat with the greatest respect the issue in the Irish Church isn't celibacy it's integrity. As a priest or seminarian you sign up to live a celibate life. (Yes, there are a few exceptions, but the general rule is that priests are celibate.) If you don't intend to live a celibate life, don't sign up for it!<br /><br />These men are claiming to live lives they're not. They preach one thing and do another. They are lying to themselves, to the Church and to the people they're leeching a living off. <br /><br />Over the past number of months you've highlighted the problems in Maynooth of seminarians using gay dating sites, what the hell are these men doing in seminary? Why do they think it's acceptable to lie their way to priesthood. They leave a trail of destruction behind them, not only in their own lives but in others too, destroying real vocations either by causing good honest men to be expelled or by dissuading others from joining the 'gay profession' as you described it! What heterosexual man would want to join the priesthood today?<br /><br />Integrity is the issue not celibacy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-68267720740360652202016-11-30T17:20:43.585+00:002016-11-30T17:20:43.585+00:00The only way to fix this celibacy thing is no more...The only way to fix this celibacy thing is no more students entering a seminary....I just wonder why so many of the young men can't see any further than their noseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-19835513971594608822016-11-30T17:13:39.003+00:002016-11-30T17:13:39.003+00:00I know a New mother at 52, big surprise for her.
...I know a New mother at 52, big surprise for her.<br />Does the Cc try to cover up that couples have sex up to 80 and maybe later, depending on health.<br />What I'm trying to say that if a woman is 66 or 76 she might be led into believing she should not have sex with her husband as there is no way she could procreate....<br />All I can say the CC is an ass<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-44057976283654862572016-11-30T15:34:19.422+00:002016-11-30T15:34:19.422+00:00I wish Ian, Margaret and their charming family eve...I wish Ian, Margaret and their charming family every happiness and blessing!<br />What always fascinated me about the Church if England was -<br />How do so many very fine people adhere to a Church based on the considerably less than spiritual aspirations of Henry VIII?<br />Perhaps Sean might have a valuable input here.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-35573843692316710372016-11-30T15:31:46.087+00:002016-11-30T15:31:46.087+00:00There's never been any mention of snowballing ...There's never been any mention of snowballing or felching as you said yourself the other day. Just some random comment that halfwits starved of an intellectual life latched onto. But you broke a vow of celibacy that you made - don't you think that was wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com