tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post5447983094988296702..comments2024-03-12T19:57:41.861+00:00Comments on THINKING CATHOLICISM: ABORTION AND IRELANDThinking Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-90600518140705463842017-10-28T14:12:44.232+01:002017-10-28T14:12:44.232+01:00May i suggest one looks up and listens to Ven. Ful...May i suggest one looks up and listens to Ven. Fulton Sheens views on abortion. "The Approach of Midnight" on Youtube. Bishop Sheen is brilliant at getting his point across.Irish countrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07780004070817527292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-80096935184836237692017-10-23T00:42:15.463+01:002017-10-23T00:42:15.463+01:00@21.27.
Read, read and read again before you jump ...@21.27.<br />Read, read and read again before you jump in with your reply.!. The poster ANSWERED your point "And her baby's body"<br />She/he is very anti abortion and respectful of the baby's life.<br />Now I am not going to spell it out and re-write her words when you, even at this late stage, are capable of doing so for yourself.<br />But learn from this experience to read the the full post and then decide on your response.. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-58122538469098504732017-10-23T00:34:05.283+01:002017-10-23T00:34:05.283+01:00Thank you, Big Hank, for your life and for your un...Thank you, Big Hank, for your life and for your unconditional, non-judgemental love.Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-43071874727289354672017-10-22T23:48:29.472+01:002017-10-22T23:48:29.472+01:00Just passing thought I'd say the folowing.
Wh...Just passing thought I'd say the folowing.<br /><br />When my daughter was raped I prayed that there would be no new life as a result, thankfully that was the case. My child at the time had all the terrors of the experience to contend with, if new life occurred the terror would only have multiplied.<br />As a father to the child I told her my views for all life and the right to live, but I also told her that if life occurred I would not be influencing her decision either way, with respect to abortion.<br />She strongly replied that if the question of life for this terror it would be life and LOVE.<br /><br />I work as an independent chaplin and encounter those who have made the decision to abort.Their own religons have been far from Christian and certainly lacked any compassion or LOVE. I stand with them in their pain and tell them that I LOVE them and God surely does too.Big Hankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937603095036374725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-86772943775774411862017-10-22T22:43:29.130+01:002017-10-22T22:43:29.130+01:0014.02: There are many, many people of no religious...14.02: There are many, many people of no religious affiliation who abhor abortion. It's not just a "Catholic Issue" - and I'm supportive of and believe its clear moral teachings - but do so out of respect for the right to life of the unborn child. Thankfully. You should also restrain your passive anger evident in your blogging! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-52732678928782405252017-10-22T22:26:36.920+01:002017-10-22T22:26:36.920+01:00I want to clarify my comment @ 02:36. Although I s...I want to clarify my comment @ 02:36. Although I stated that abortion was 'an unspeakable evil', I did not mean to imply any degree of moral culpability (sinfulness) to poor women who, for whatever reason, feel compelled to undergo an abortion.Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-60935001579016023912017-10-22T21:27:33.566+01:002017-10-22T21:27:33.566+01:00And her baby's body?And her baby's body?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-16116872047206163432017-10-22T21:18:25.480+01:002017-10-22T21:18:25.480+01:00We all, in a sense have ownership over our own bod...We all, in a sense have ownership over our own bodies.<br />However that does not in any way give us the right to terminate the life of another - including the life of an unborn infant entrusted to our pre-natal care.<br />What a privilege and what a responsibility that is!<br />(Sr Mary.. I think the thing that has really shone out today from most of Pat's posters has been the empathy and concern that they DO feel towards the mothers in what isi often a traumatic time for the them as you rightly imply. So thank you for drawing our attention to that. These comments, in the main, seem to have come from experienced people who are perhaps mothers themselves and certainly some are heavily involved in the charities which support mothers through the birth and in the weeks and months which follow. It was good to see. What was particularly important and relevant was that not one of those experienced workers advocated the expediency of abortion as a short term "solution". They had far too much respect for the enormity of the decision than to trivialise it as if the woman was making a hair appointment!<br />So yes, you have "ownership" of your own body but also sometimes a sacred trust to be the caring custodian of another little body until you bring it safely into the world. That is not a privilege given to everyone and not one to be taken lightly. I. hope you have had food for thought Sr Mary and that you will continue to pray and support young mothers as I am sure you already do. I hope so anyway. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-90103188163921428532017-10-22T21:11:06.685+01:002017-10-22T21:11:06.685+01:00Sr. Mary - what Catholic Religious Order do you be...Sr. Mary - what Catholic Religious Order do you belong to? Amazed your background doesn't enlighten you that apart from the mother, who should be cared for and protected, there is also the life of the unborn child, which I'm sure you hold to be sacred.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-692926044409160742017-10-22T21:06:56.438+01:002017-10-22T21:06:56.438+01:00We do think of the mothers Sr. Mary. But we are ab...We do think of the mothers Sr. Mary. But we are absolutely right to also remember that there are two human beings - the mother and the unborn child. That's a truth conveniently forgotten by pro choice people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-53356107480532763382017-10-22T20:42:45.147+01:002017-10-22T20:42:45.147+01:0014.02 earlier. You are the zealot, your scriot epi...14.02 earlier. You are the zealot, your scriot epitomising the meaning of passive aggressive. I can just imagine your pro choice placards!! Pro choice zealots should finish the sentence they begin: -"The right to choose" should be followed by "The choice to destroy or kill the unborn child". For that is what pro choice truly means. I abhor abuse of any human being, born and unborn. You are entitled to your views but you must learn to respect others who differ. I will never stop defending and protecting the beauty, dignity, preciousness and sanctity of human life at all stages. There is a moral ugliness about the reality of abortion which pro choicers hide in cold, clinical terms. 14.02 - Your comments are very crude and "confusing" even though you tried correcting yourself. Perhaps you are pro life after all!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-49780039486010045962017-10-22T20:41:56.406+01:002017-10-22T20:41:56.406+01:00"You're dead...""You're dead..." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-44829425386998226062017-10-22T20:16:30.345+01:002017-10-22T20:16:30.345+01:00Yes, a very good point.Yes, a very good point.Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-79266000037133886622017-10-22T20:05:14.392+01:002017-10-22T20:05:14.392+01:00your dead right there. A woman should have ownersh...your dead right there. A woman should have ownership over her own bodyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-69767627772240145092017-10-22T19:37:20.556+01:002017-10-22T19:37:20.556+01:00And the abortionist blogger's answer to the so...And the abortionist blogger's answer to the social problems with which we all have an obligation to engage with and eradicate: butcher and dismember the child while it is still completely vulnerable in the womb.<br /><br />Anyone who has witnessed the antics of the abortionists, at marches and rallies, sees unveiled, in all its vicious nastiness, the demonic nature of their hate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-52731623507448830812017-10-22T19:05:22.900+01:002017-10-22T19:05:22.900+01:00Might I remind everyone of Tom's post @ 07:32?...Might I remind everyone of Tom's post @ 07:32?<br /><br />'I pray that in this debate and decision protagonists from all sides do not forget the sanctity of each other's life.'<br /><br />You may have noticed, all of you, that I haven't today behaved in characteristically, er, 'robust' form. This is because, being opposed to abortion, how can I (or anyone else so inclined) be taken seriously as a 'pro-life' advocate in this debate if I don't show consideration for dissenting voices? This ethic applies especially to pro-life campaigners, not to their opponents. <br /><br />So, please, tread carefully in the debate, which will gather momentum in the days ahead, and with it the white heat of impassioned feeling, when example rather than words may be the only thing that can persuade.Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-27350002640968736932017-10-22T18:32:12.654+01:002017-10-22T18:32:12.654+01:0017.58: You are a total contradiction. I am not a p...17.58: You are a total contradiction. I am not a pro life zealot in your "understanding" . Yes, I am "very zealous" in my beliefs about the right to life of the unborn child - and, no,I don't disappear once the baby is born. Like all pro life people, we truly care about and value all human life, BORN AND UNBORN. Your reaction to my capital letters obviously accentuates how you are affected by my beliefs. Your level of interpretation of my comments are rather very telling of you. I am Catholic and I don't apologise for that. I am not at all angry. I listen respectfully to all viewpoints but I am very vocal in my opposition to abortion. Leaving my Catholocism aside, I consider the protection of the unborn child to be fundamentally a HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE. Any mother/father or child who needs support and help will never be denied my assistance. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-34270043361306421712017-10-22T18:27:58.001+01:002017-10-22T18:27:58.001+01:00@17.58
I think it's you, yourself is the one w...@17.58<br />I think it's you, yourself is the one who is "reading what you want to read" which is what you have accused someone else of! You say that once a birth was over, the young mother would "get short shrift from the likes of you". to the poster who is very much against abortion. You have the audacity to say that in spite of the fact that the poster has named for you three different excellent charities to which she give her ongoing time and effort! She also mentions that many others unselfishly do likewise. That could hardly be described as giving them "short shrift" and caring nothing for them afterwards. You then proceed to accuse the poster of lacking in civility and manners! I believe, on the contrary, she responded with a lot more civility and restraint than your outburst deserved. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-18481216600065186472017-10-22T17:58:34.822+01:002017-10-22T17:58:34.822+01:0016.11 If you read my post carefully rather than ju...16.11 If you read my post carefully rather than just reading what you want to read I did not imply pro life people do not care for the woman before birth. My concern was that pro life zealots like you disappear once the baby is born because you have won your victorious campaign. It is more pro birth than pro life, a life continues long after a birth and where does a Mother and family turn to then when in real difficulty? She would get short shrift from the likes of you because you would be too busy running out to help other women to give birth to their children. What's with all the capital letters in your post, loud and angry cyber language. Can you not show some civility or manners in your post without reverting to anger. Some Christian/Catholic you call yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-18867407514860269122017-10-22T17:49:44.942+01:002017-10-22T17:49:44.942+01:00We should think of the Mother in all of these situ...We should think of the Mother in all of these situations too.<br /><br />Sr. MaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-7418253917877906812017-10-22T16:57:53.780+01:002017-10-22T16:57:53.780+01:00I too was appalled at Pat's beautiful memories...I too was appalled at Pat's beautiful memories of Sandra being used as a stick to beat him by poster at 14.02.<br />I am pleased that other sincere good people feel the same. <br />And no. we're not all "fundamentalists "and what was her other insult? -" hypocrites"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-16576859661902834172017-10-22T16:51:43.966+01:002017-10-22T16:51:43.966+01:00@ 16.11 Thanks for that. Your post and your experi...@ 16.11 Thanks for that. Your post and your experience re-iterate that of poster 15.31. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-84587308689209633372017-10-22T16:48:29.794+01:002017-10-22T16:48:29.794+01:00There are no "pro life".. that is, anti ...There are no "pro life".. that is, anti - abortion.. people "turning on Pat".! The poster who DID turn on him admitted in a later post that she had made an error.<br />(I hope all those scholars who were asking a few weeks ago about examples of Freudian slips are reading Pat's blog today6) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-50384002923106680242017-10-22T16:11:25.519+01:002017-10-22T16:11:25.519+01:00Sadly, many advocates of abortion use that old red...Sadly, many advocates of abortion use that old red herring argument - why don't pro life people care for the pregnant woman in distress or for those in poverty and in impoverished situations. Of course as a pro life activist I care for all people in all kinds of situations. That's why, apart from my support for and involvement with the PRO LIFE MOVEMENT, I also give my support and assistance to Br. Kevin's Day Care Centre, St. V. de Paul and Alice Leahy's TRUST Charity. I know many, many people who do likewise, their involvement being inspired by their uncompromising respect for human life, born and unborn. Blogger at 14.02 is wildly and totally disingenuous with such spurious comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-29684683411199482382017-10-22T16:03:35.024+01:002017-10-22T16:03:35.024+01:00I wonder if the poster at 14.32 has a point when t...I wonder if the poster at 14.32 has a point when the pro life lobby seem to be even turning on Pat and showing us what they are really likeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com