tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post5669248042187840340..comments2024-03-12T19:57:41.861+00:00Comments on THINKING CATHOLICISM: ARCHBISHOP DIARMUID MARTIN - PART 2Thinking Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-24916757654610168962016-07-28T10:45:30.671+01:002016-07-28T10:45:30.671+01:00MBF Sorry you feel offended Do you find gay marria...MBF Sorry you feel offended Do you find gay marriage offensiveFly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-73293953325436250732016-07-28T10:26:37.659+01:002016-07-28T10:26:37.659+01:00Thanks to both contributors who answered question ...Thanks to both contributors who answered question re. 'The Irish Catholic' and 'Alive!'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-72647804359460007332016-07-28T07:59:17.960+01:002016-07-28T07:59:17.960+01:00Below are a number of articles written recently by...Below are a number of articles written recently by the Irish Catholic, Catholic Voice and Daily Mail re Maynooth problems:<br /><br />http://irishcatholic.ie/article/it%E2%80%99s-time-church-recognise-importance-whistleblowers<br /><br />http://irishcatholic.ie/article/dynamically-orthodox-seminaries-attract-vocations-maynooth-one-those<br /><br />http://irishcatholic.ie/article/seminary-counsellor-resigns<br /><br />http://www.catholicvoice.ie/index.php/127-is-anyone-really-surprised-that-the-complaints-about-maynooth-are-anonymous<br /><br />http://irishcatholic.ie/article/bishops-rebel-over-maynooth-seminary-%E2%80%98heave%E2%80%99<br /><br />http://www.irishcatholic.ie/article/questions-raised-yet-again-about-maynooth<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2118359/Why-Irish-Church-fumigate-seminaries.html<br /><br />http://www.irishsalem.com/individuals/Politicians%20and%20Others/archbishop-martin/sinwithinchurch-17may10.php<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32033318479002205962016-07-27T23:36:54.300+01:002016-07-27T23:36:54.300+01:00I suggest it's a problem in itself that you do...I suggest it's a problem in itself that you do not have a problem with 'seminary gays'. Probably why Maynooth is in the state it's in! It's not a case of consent or not or of legal age. All seminarians & clergy are expected to be celibate. If they cannot be so then they should do the decent thing and return to secular life. We teach our youth about the dangers of permissiness all the way through to health implications of risky behaviours. So an attitude of 'it's fine to be a gay seminarian'or clergy & actively gay is NOT ok. To draw a parallel to heterosexual couples is deluded, absurd & offensive. <br />MBFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-12938977393586261332016-07-27T15:38:34.733+01:002016-07-27T15:38:34.733+01:00The 'Irish Catholic' had three editions wi...The 'Irish Catholic' had three editions with articles about the "anonymous letters" and Fr Marsden stepping down. It also reported that there was a "toxic atmosphere" in Maynooth. And remember that the 'Irish Catholic' is very influenced by the Bishops. I have not seen anything yet in the 'Alive' newspaper; however, 'Alive' is only released bi-monthly. Therefore, it would be far behind the others regarding breaking news.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-13211746199986597942016-07-27T15:38:13.533+01:002016-07-27T15:38:13.533+01:00I have no problem with Seminary Gays as long as th...I have no problem with Seminary Gays as long as they are legal age and consentual same as so called straight folk. My issue is that they are not bullied or coerced and that they are not living the lye of compulsory celibacy. Permissive Society ethics to not extend to the Christian ethic. Couples are meant to be faithful to each otherFly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-84489560589497223012016-07-27T14:25:23.780+01:002016-07-27T14:25:23.780+01:00What about 'The Irish Catholic', and '...What about 'The Irish Catholic', and 'Alive!'? Are they staying very, very quiet? Maybe not. 'Catholic Voice' was providing some coverage, but are the others? I'm not a regular reader of same. Someone might let us know where the Catholic newspapers stand re. keeping their readership informed of this developing situation. 'Alive!' readership : 250,000, The Irish Catholic readership: ?? 'Catholic Voice' readership:??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-91572482017011807052016-07-27T10:33:09.820+01:002016-07-27T10:33:09.820+01:00You forget that the Irish Times knew for years abo...You forget that the Irish Times knew for years about Casey. It was only when church money was at issue that they finally felt they "had to" publish. Of course the very suspicion of actively gay priests is outrageously scandalous to massgoers as the Irish Times likes to call us for some time now but open gayness throughout Ireland is a flagship of the liberal agenda promoted by the Irish Times and others. They won't be outing the seminary gays any time soon - at least not until they are either persecuted or victorious. Then they will be heroes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-24198269163842543222016-07-27T09:28:37.060+01:002016-07-27T09:28:37.060+01:00It wasn't just Brady, it was Benedict, too. Be...It wasn't just Brady, it was Benedict, too. Benny allowed pal Brady to continue in office. Brady had Benny's full support.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-46690019301838915352016-07-27T09:21:17.594+01:002016-07-27T09:21:17.594+01:00I find it strange the Irish times is staying so qu...I find it strange the Irish times is staying so quiet. What about other media. What is UTV Ireland like these daysFly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-75876466281514243572016-07-27T07:49:35.067+01:002016-07-27T07:49:35.067+01:00Pat have you approached Sunday life , Irish news ...Pat have you approached Sunday life , Irish news , Spotlight ,the bbc investigative team.<br /><br />Quiet manQuiet mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-16978908967603668772016-07-27T03:09:43.201+01:002016-07-27T03:09:43.201+01:00I, a priest, in Ireland, will not be promoting or ...I, a priest, in Ireland, will not be promoting or encouraging any involvement, from my parishioners, in the World Family Days, in Dublin, in 2018, even if the Pope decides to come, which, I plead with him, not to !!!. <br /><br />I will ignore it. I encourage other priests to do the same and lift no collections for this fiasco. <br /><br />Maybe, in the year 3018 AD, Ireland will be ready for this event?<br /><br />Dublin priest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-9403195297331599292016-07-27T02:55:21.343+01:002016-07-27T02:55:21.343+01:00These so-called "bishops" are "fath...These so-called "bishops" are "fathers", who sacrifice their "sons", to the whims, fetishes, attacks, solicitation, sexual harassment, experiments, prurient interests, fantasies and inquisitions, of perverts and sexual deviants. <br /><br />They are all presiding over Gaynooth - the current Irish Capital of Grindr. Some members of staff, some students of Gaynooth, and, maybe, even, some of the trustees, are the perpetrators of these evils and abuses. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-84582811072329975582016-07-27T01:20:01.101+01:002016-07-27T01:20:01.101+01:00I fully agree with the last comment. One screwed u...I fully agree with the last comment. One screwed up individual got a very easy ride himself to be catapulted into such an august position of judging others fit or not for priesthood. In previous times he himself wouldn't have made it to even round one. What an endighment (sic) of current standards!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-14825152995916979622016-07-26T23:32:20.852+01:002016-07-26T23:32:20.852+01:00 .... or even KNEEL during the Consecration !! .... or even KNEEL during the Consecration !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-85055842231458572922016-07-26T22:14:31.258+01:002016-07-26T22:14:31.258+01:00I have a question - Are the Maynooth Seminary form...I have a question - Are the Maynooth Seminary formation team/s subject to any external assessment or oversight themselves? Probably not, but they SHOULD be. They are so involved in the seminarians' end of year assessments - reports, and yet I'll bet no one assesses THEIR ability, their powers of discernment, or indeed their integrity re. assessing seminarians from year to year!! And judging by some of the speculation / evidence re. some seminarians, deacons, priests, ... who are now under scrutiny [ people whom the formation team/s and the relevant bishops deemed as suitable for the Deaconite and for Priesthood, ... in recent years ] the judgement of the formation team/s and the Bishops does need to be seriously or even ROBUSTLY questioned, and investigated. ROBUSTLY seems to be a favourite word of church authorities in Ireland. I recall that when responding to questions about the allegations, [May 2016 ] Maynooth College President Msgr Hugh Connolly is reported to have '...insisted that robust procedures for addressing such claims are in place.' Maybe they are in place, but one would have to ask IF they were actually followed. Maybe the procedures weren't THAT robust after all. I'd be very, very doubtful that they were followed robustly! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-45205412106196916372016-07-26T21:38:39.908+01:002016-07-26T21:38:39.908+01:00I would like to suggest that any seminarian/s deem...I would like to suggest that any seminarian/s deemed UNSUITABLE to proceed mid 'training' by Maynooth Seminary formation team / or by diocesan Bishops in the last few years and who were 'heaved out', should be contacted immediately [possibly by the Archbishop of Dublin, or by the Papal Nuncio, or .... someone who is trustworthy! ] with a view to having the case/s examined by an independent body - IF the ex seminarian/s so choose/s. If the worst thing they ever did was to stand at the consecration, or spend too much time in the Adoration Chapel - praying!, or display independence of thought, or who generally wanted to follow the true teaching of the Catholic church, they're streets ahead of some candidates who WERE deemed suitable to proceed to Deaconite and Priesthood and who now have been seen [ by recent accounts ] to be incredibly unsuitable. 'Just a thought. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-14679793954753726732016-07-26T21:22:13.730+01:002016-07-26T21:22:13.730+01:00Voris is gay? (Or, as he would identify these days...Voris is gay? (Or, as he would identify these days, so-called 'ex-gay') Ha ha I've always wondered why he had such an angry bee in his bonnet about gays. Now I know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-88410079591633427192016-07-26T21:16:28.211+01:002016-07-26T21:16:28.211+01:00The Irish Bishops are a "thundering disgrace&...The Irish Bishops are a "thundering disgrace" - to borrow Paddy Donegan's term he used for President Cearbhall O Dalaigh when the President refused to sign the Emergency Powers Act, 1976. <br /><br />The Irish Bishops likewise fail time and time again to take action in the face of a mountain of evidence and human debris.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-23957786917638276392016-07-26T21:01:55.292+01:002016-07-26T21:01:55.292+01:00I would like to suggest that any seminarian/s who ...I would like to suggest that any seminarian/s who were deemed UNSUITABLE!! to proceed mid 'training' by Maynooth Seminary formation team / or by diocesan Bishop in the last few years should be contacted [possibly by the Archbishop of Dublin?] with a view to having the case/s examined by an independent body - IF the ex seminarian/s so choose/s. If the worst thing they ever did was to stand at the consecration, or spend too much time in the Adoration Chapel - praying!, or to be independent of mind, they're streets ahead of some candidates who were deemed suitable to proceed to Deaconite and Priesthood BUT who now appear to be incredibly unsuitable. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-11896894695956668742016-07-26T20:48:51.221+01:002016-07-26T20:48:51.221+01:00I have dissuaded two young men from going to Mayno...I have dissuaded two young men from going to Maynooth over the last 5 years. They are currently in formation with foreign religious orders.<br /><br />Thank God they didn't go to that evil place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-9569153809215493662016-07-26T20:42:38.141+01:002016-07-26T20:42:38.141+01:00Succinctly said. You summed it all up in a few ter...Succinctly said. You summed it all up in a few terse lines. <br /><br />The Bishops of this country are an absolute disgrace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-50896411832042882032016-07-26T20:41:40.860+01:002016-07-26T20:41:40.860+01:00Agreed. Lets hope SOMEONE will do SOMETHING soon.Agreed. Lets hope SOMEONE will do SOMETHING soon.Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-80975212313194967862016-07-26T20:35:14.870+01:002016-07-26T20:35:14.870+01:00I agree with you about Michael Voris. I think he i...I agree with you about Michael Voris. I think he is in a self loathing state of denial.<br />Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-6970330793087005862016-07-26T20:30:03.615+01:002016-07-26T20:30:03.615+01:00Between sham kangaroo courts;seminarians being exp...Between sham kangaroo courts;seminarians being expelled for reporting sexual relationships between other seminarians; seminarians being accused of sending anonymous letters to Bishops; Fr David Marsden stepping down in disgust;good seminarians walking out in revulsion; Deacons and newly ordained Priests with Grindr accounts;1st year seminarians being harassed and propositioned by priests and deacons; Bishop Cullinan and Archbishop Martin pulling out their seminarians; 6 seminarians tendering their resignation - Maynooth is a veritable hellhole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com