tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post6520253149072126987..comments2024-03-12T19:57:41.861+00:00Comments on THINKING CATHOLICISM: HAS BISHOP TREANOR INHERITED PAEDOPHILE PRIEST'S HOUSE? Thinking Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-4418692807454376832016-02-24T10:09:02.197+00:002016-02-24T10:09:02.197+00:00In the 1st four chapters of 1 Samuel the spiritual...In the 1st four chapters of 1 Samuel the spiritual condition of the people is represented in the spiritual condition of the priesthood. Eli shows his lack of spiritual insight when he could not discern between a woman in travail of soul in intercession and a drunken woman. His sons the priests were sacrilegious towards the offerings of the people. They were involved in acts of immorality and they were corrupt. Though wearing the linen ephod and priestly robes signifying righteousness, purity and holiness, they were anything but. Eli failed to discipline his sons even though he heard of their immoral acts he just mildly reproved them. It is interesting to note that God would not touch these sons as long as they were under the covering of the father, so God himself had to step in and judge all three together.<br />Though under the same roof God was bypassing Eli and spoke to a young man who was sensitive submissive and obedient to the spirit, unlike the priests who were going through religious formalities. Eli represents the spiritual condition of the nation. They were unable to see spiritually and had fallen back into idolatry and apostasy and they were stiff-necked towards what God wanted to do. In the time of warfare they took the ark and presumed that God was with them, and all their shouting was nothing but an empty noise and a farce, God was not in it. When the Ark was captured. The son born to the wife of Phinehas the son of Eli was named ‘Ichabod’ meaning the Glory is departed from Israel. Without the Ark of God and the God of the Ark there can be no Glory. The Ark was at Shiloh and that is what Jesus was referring to when he cleared the Temple. Has this house, which bears my Name, become a den of robbers to you? But I have been watching! Declares the Lord. Go now to the place in Shiloh where I first made a dwelling for my Name, and see what I did to it because of the wickedness of my people Israel. (Jeremiah 7: 11-12)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-76322833317768655832015-09-01T22:02:59.161+01:002015-09-01T22:02:59.161+01:00I left in 1999 and I can say that priesthood never...I left in 1999 and I can say that priesthood never went away nor would I want it to. It is a part of my life of which I am very proud and exercise my priesthood in everyday life much the same as I always did. I do not wear a collar or flaunt my wares. i am on the preaching rota in church. I do not see myself in conflict with the Roman Catholic Church nor do I feel I have an axe to grind any more. I believe in the ontological nature of ordination Fly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-55635913082810835462015-09-01T21:55:21.229+01:002015-09-01T21:55:21.229+01:00Something called duty of care or am I being naive?...Something called duty of care or am I being naive? What might Noel T do with the place anyway?Fly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-44387308565266274442015-09-01T20:13:55.258+01:002015-09-01T20:13:55.258+01:00Pat,
Just a point that struck me, which might be ...Pat, <br />Just a point that struck me, which might be helpful to some readers.<br />The Catholic Church or indeed any other Church does NOT own God, and I say that as a priest. Churches can be a rich spiritual resource to people, but they also can damage them.<br />Spiritual power in the wrong hands is very dangerous. <br />Never should any person allow a priest, pastor or rabbi to abuse them spiritually. If there is even a hint of this, it is time to move on. <br />God wants us to draw life from him, and to live a vibrant, generous human life; any spiritual environment that prevents us from achieving this , should be avoided like the plague !<br /><br />D&C Cleric.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-86363270933911860302015-09-01T11:23:05.258+01:002015-09-01T11:23:05.258+01:00I agree. And who has ever met an idol that willing...I agree. And who has ever met an idol that willingly wanted to give up their pedestal?Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-77765072784735902272015-09-01T11:21:38.103+01:002015-09-01T11:21:38.103+01:00These "men" are sumply the slaves of the...These "men" are sumply the slaves of the Roman Empire MK IIThinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-79262130157803321962015-09-01T11:20:00.596+01:002015-09-01T11:20:00.596+01:00I totally respect your perspective on all this.
I...I totally respect your perspective on all this.<br /><br />I suppose I just want to make the point that these people only have power over us if we allow them to.<br /><br />For instance, I have continued ti have a very fruitful and fulfilling ministry IN SPITE of them for 30 years.<br /><br />There is nothing they can do to us if we stand up to them - except to try and discredit us on the eyes of there followers / slaves.<br /><br />There is life, including pastoral life, if we want it, after we free ourselves from the clutches of the Whore of Babylon :-)Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-81176439350888258182015-09-01T08:24:55.793+01:002015-09-01T08:24:55.793+01:00Yesterday @ 18:13 I wrote that the problem with th...Yesterday @ 18:13 I wrote that the problem with the Church is that of idols & their worship. The Church has made Priesthood into an idol, and that explains a lot of the very immature and hurtful behaviour that some Clergy engage in. <br /><br />Priest of D&C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-20985615248690318552015-08-31T23:57:19.174+01:002015-08-31T23:57:19.174+01:00Former priest you need not say any more. My brothe...Former priest you need not say any more. My brother had a similar experience after leaving the priesthood. He went to a funeral of a priest friend and told me afterwards that the behaviour and attitude of other priests and former colleagues there made him think he had the plague.He said they were very uneasy if he went to talk to then and kept looking to see if the bishop noticed. Many of them tried not to make eye contact. So sad and so immature from supposedly mature and holy men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-54046343893031828092015-08-31T23:32:52.252+01:002015-08-31T23:32:52.252+01:00Pat, I am a former priest. The " once a prie...Pat, I am a former priest. The " once a priest always a priest" business is yet another way in which the church exercises or tries to extend its control. I should say that my leaving was not as the result of any wrong doing or scandal. I became disheartened by what I witnessed, the hypocracy of church leaders( I was very close to the seat of power) how the whole man made organisation had lost its mission! Simple as that. I walked away. I was fortunate as I was able to secure good employment right away through family connections. <br />Another example of the unhealthy climate of fear which still exists was displayed to me when a younger man who had served with me in a parish for 12 years came up to his silver jubilee. We were great friends for many years. He told me that he would have liked very much to invite me to his jubilee celebrations but was afraid to do so in case he would be seen to be friendly with a persona non grata and,to use his own words,his card would be marked by those in authority. Need I say any more?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-62683288343674453582015-08-31T22:45:44.515+01:002015-08-31T22:45:44.515+01:00I can't see this being true. Donaghy, if he ha...I can't see this being true. Donaghy, if he has any sense???, will want to live somewhere nobody knows him surely?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-66436731485713641362015-08-31T21:52:16.936+01:002015-08-31T21:52:16.936+01:00I believe the Catholic Church regards Clerical abu...I believe the Catholic Church regards Clerical abuse victims as a bloody nuisance ! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-25873472008180396262015-08-31T20:18:50.632+01:002015-08-31T20:18:50.632+01:00Sean, What makes you think that Noel Treanor has a...Sean, What makes you think that Noel Treanor has any real interest in victims? Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-46921205616351769422015-08-31T19:49:07.731+01:002015-08-31T19:49:07.731+01:00Donaghy will have to live somewhere. His own house...Donaghy will have to live somewhere. His own house seems a logical choice-I think. on his death I believe his assets should be liquidated and proceeds used to support victims of abuse Its the least noel treanor can doFly on Th Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520198020314816276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-77232894671018315412015-08-31T19:13:42.108+01:002015-08-31T19:13:42.108+01:00Can there be such a thing as a "former priest...Can there be such a thing as a "former priest"? <br /><br />Is it not once a priest - always a priest?Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-49620401300976639322015-08-31T19:01:41.731+01:002015-08-31T19:01:41.731+01:00Dear former priest @ 18:05,
What Jesus asks of us...Dear former priest @ 18:05,<br /><br />What Jesus asks of us is to "love God & our neighbour" and he makes no demand that we have a church affiliation in order to carry out this mandate. <br />I am not against church membership, but I do think it should carry a 'Spiritual Health Warning'.<br /><br />LUX.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-24469710444337801612015-08-31T18:13:07.207+01:002015-08-31T18:13:07.207+01:00Dear LUX,
The problem you refer to is I believe th...Dear LUX,<br />The problem you refer to is I believe the worship of false idols. The Church has a myriad of idols, which all ultimately have the same effect : the worship of Man & the neglect of God. That is why the Church is collapsing, for its eyes are NOT focused on the Lord.<br /><br />Priest of D&C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-21652016948155729912015-08-31T18:05:39.571+01:002015-08-31T18:05:39.571+01:00I agree with LUX. I have said here before that I d...I agree with LUX. I have said here before that I don't need any of those Ecclasiastical dignitaries to have my relationship with my God. It's pure and straightforward , funny at times and very satisfying. As a former priest ( I just walked away after 28 years and didn't apply for laicisation ) I didn't need the Vatican to tell me I was or wasn't in good standing with God or my fellow man. They had by that stage exerted enough unhealthy control over my life. Enough was enough! Today I'm just joe ordinary. Don't have to watch my company or watch what I say. I live in the light and in the love of God. Free to love unconditionally and think and act with freedom. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-15990727232557695732015-08-31T16:53:40.357+01:002015-08-31T16:53:40.357+01:00Yes Pat, there would be a lot of collars there to ...Yes Pat, there would be a lot of collars there to witness the nails going in !<br />The 1 thing the RC Church is incapable of doing is truly worshipping God.<br />When God is worshipped in spirit and in truth, we will not need Canon Law,<br />Cardinals, Vatican Nuncios, Church Tribunals, Cathedral chapters, and all the plethora of religious titles , Monsignor, Very Reverend, Canon, Prefects of Congregations, etc.<br />No wonder Jesus is almost forgotten in this orgy of Ecclesiastical Narcissism.<br /><br />LUX.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-37876493937500361872015-08-31T16:25:56.509+01:002015-08-31T16:25:56.509+01:00And this time he would be crucified in Rome as the...And this time he would be crucified in Rome as the pope, cardinals and synod of bishops looked on and as devout Roman Catholics shouted: "Crucify him". Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-31826223865390499582015-08-31T16:17:10.258+01:002015-08-31T16:17:10.258+01:00Down & Connor Diocese sadly follows the patter...Down & Connor Diocese sadly follows the pattern set by Rome. (As do all other Dioceses throughout the world )<br />The 'Cancer' emanates from its head, the Eternal City. <br />If our loving saviour ever had the temerity to return to earth in bodily form, and challenge the corruption in the Church, the 6" nails would be brought out, just as they were 2000 yrs ago in Jerusalem ! As Jesus discovered all those centuries ago, corrupt 'religious' systems do not tolerate challenge, even from the Son of God.<br /><br />LUX.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-18590634777162684452015-08-31T15:26:09.463+01:002015-08-31T15:26:09.463+01:00Everything you have said is true. It is borne out ...Everything you have said is true. It is borne out by all my experience as a priest of nearly 40 years :-(Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-64231739571234392832015-08-31T14:48:18.130+01:002015-08-31T14:48:18.130+01:00The term " supping with the Devil" sprin...The term " supping with the Devil" springs to mind ! However what else can you expect. Some of the principal functions of a bishop are the maintainance and enforcement of The Magisterium. Any smart Alec's or clergy who get a bit above their station to be cut down ( the severity of the chastisement or humiliation depends on the " offence"). The preservation of the church's good name at all costs. Doesn't matter if good people are thrown overboard . If it's necessary then it has to be done. Obfuscation when dealing with any inquiry into the churches affairs. Closing of ranks. Then we have the accumulation of wealth. The encouragement of priests to sweet talk rich parishoners ( particularly old biddies with more money than family) into "leaving" money to the church. <br />Other activities like preaching the Gospel, administration of Confirmation and Ordainations are a somewhat down the pecking order.<br />Dalriada DickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com