Monday 1 October 2018

RECONCILIATION?




We have had several readers on the blog in recent days claiming that the Catholic hierarchy offered me an olive branch recently in a reconciliation gesture.


I have not experienced any such olive branch.

Since 1986, when I was "fired I have been totally open to talk and reconciliation. Not to be open would be in Christian. Jesus told us to love our "enemies".

After 32 years outside the wall, there have been very negative vibes on both sides - from me and from the hierarchy.

In 1998 Bishop Paddy Walsh sent his chancellor to me. The chancellor told me that Bishop Walsh was "in agony before the tabernacle" about my situation.

I said that his agony could be taken away over a  cup of tea and a chat.

I prepared a 15-page reconciliation in which  I gave  Paddy Walsh EVERYTHING he wanted and offered three additional gestures.

He responded by threatened to suspend me.

Before that, I had written many letters to Cahal Daly seeking reconciliation. There was no response.

Reconciliation requires both sides to be willing to give and make gestures to each other.
I was given canon law.

I wanted to resolve our differences using the New Testament as our guide.  They wanted to use canon law!

There is a great void between the Catholic hierarchy and myself. It's a big void to sort out.
Of course, I am very critical of the bishops and clergy. But as the constant flow of scandals show, strong criticism is appropriate.


PROTESTING OUTSIDE HIERARCHY MEETING MANY YEARS AGO WITH FATHER MICHAEL KEANE AND MY MOTHER


Of course, I am sad that I am estranged from the thing, I once gave my life to.

On the other hand, ministering outside the fold brings great freedom with it. No seeking permission. No supervision apart from my congregation. No canon law :-)

Being a loner has its advantages and its disadvantage.

Thank God I have never had a faith crisis or a vocation crisis.

Maybe Providence decided that I would travel the road less traveled?

There is a future look forward to and the same Providence is in charge.


The Road Not Taken 


Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves, no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—

I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.



I am quite happy where I am because I believe God put me here.

And I am always totally open to talk to anyone, anywhere, anytime.

76 comments:

  1. Thanks for sharing Pat. THe RC is the one at loss here. Keep up the good work and please pray for us all every day . We PRay for you daily.

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  2. 'Twould be a better Church if the likes of Bergoglio would meet with Buckley rather than that bollocks Bono...

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      And what exactly would such a meeting achieve? Nothing... it would be just another whinefest..

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  3. It is sadly true that you will one day find yourself telling this "with a sigh" as the poet put it .

    Also, the poet describes that he chose the "less traveled" road and that made "all the difference" but it would be wrong to automatically assume that this was a good "difference". He does not actually say that, though many readers assume that he does . Very often it is not a good difference for there can be a high price for insisting on choosing a certain course of action. The wise man has the humility to turn and retrace his steps when he realises he is on the wrong path. Perhaps he has the wisdom to know that he should do this before the nightfall of his day. The fool, however ignores all such indications and ploughs on regardless... It was ever thus.

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    1. A poem is like an art work.

      The artist painted his own theme but everyone looking at the work will get something different.

      This is the sign of a good poem and a good work of art.

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    2. To thine own self be true
      And true it is, as the night follows day
      Thou canst not be untrue to any man.
      Thomas Merton taught of the true self. God cannot love the false self as he cannot recognise it. At the end of the day all you can offer to God is yourself.
      You have an honest streak, you would not last two minutes if you had to lie to belong. It would make you ill. Know your limitations.

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    3. My understanding is that Frost is reflecting on the human tendency to retrospectively imbue our choices with import and meaning due to the later consequences of those choices. That there was a "road less traveled" is a myth invented in retrospect by the person because, as Frost writes,
      "Though as for that the passing there
      Had worn them really about the same,
      And both that morning equally lay
      In leaves, no step had trodden black."
      In Frost's description the two paths are equal and equally traveled. The idea that one is less traveled is a retrospective interpretation by the traveler. What Frost is essentially commenting on is our ability to imbue mundane choices with meaning and consequence when that's not always the case.

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  4. Fr Mullaney and Fr Paul Prior needs to reconcile with Maynooth Survivors. To this present moment there has been no attempt to dialogue with those men who were and are currently been abused in the institution.

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    1. Maynooth obsessed Mullaney Sissy alert. Your usual tirade adds nothing to this blog topic.

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    2. People like these feel they do not have to talk to anyone.

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    3. Pat you are so gullible listening to that Maynooth moaned. The one that said recently someone had a key and let themselves into rooms at night. So far fetched you'd be a fool not to see through it.

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    4. Do not expect any gesture of reconciliation from any party involved in Maynooth. Such expectations will not be fulfilled and they will merely leave you down again.

      Walk away from the place and any sincere hopes for Maynooth. Be free; know that it is all lies issued by vile, insincere frauds.

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  5. The poem is a commentary on the self-deception we practise when we reconstruct, in our later years, the narrative of our own lives.
    The poet is enigmatic in that he doesn't really disclose to us whether his earlier life choices now cause him to sigh with contentment or with sad regret. He simply warns us that our choice will make a lasting "difference". We may count ourselves very fortunate indeed if a wrong choice is still reversible.
    Often it is not...

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  6. Pat you should lead a reconciliation service for those who suffered psychological, sexual and physical abuse in Maynooth seminary. Mullaney would kindly offer to help finance the service and refreshments afterwards.

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    1. Obsessed Maynooth Sissy alert who keeps saying he is frightened in Maynooth. Nice try again in hijacking this topic.

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  7. An olive branch?

    Bp Pat, this can also take the form of a bouquet, a case of wine, or a luxury hamper. Even an invitation to an upcoming Catholic conference or meeting overseas, including flights and accommodation, could also be considered an offer of reconciliation.

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    1. I agree.

      But I have not been offered any of those :-)

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    2. I hope you wouldn't take them either. Way too much like a bribe.
      What commentators critical of this blog don't realise is once you realise the Catholic church is a cesspit there is no going back.
      It is very plain that this institution will never do the full and Frank self evaluation (including others' opinions as valid) required by real reconciliation.

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  8. Being authentic is what matters and integrity is integral to authenticity. Maybe this guff of olive branches is only that... guff...because feathers are being ruffled regularly!

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  9. The Roman Catholic Church will not reconcile with + Pat. He has uncovered the nasty underbelly of the RC Church, and exposed it to the harsh light of truth, and they will never forgive him for that. So, I would not hold out any hope of a reconciliation.

    And why would he want to be reconciled with the smelling and rotting corpse of the RC Church ? In spite of what it believes of itself, the RC Church is not the only road to salvation, and it seems to me as though + Pat has found his own track which will do him well. Like many of us, as we contemplate the filth that is being exposed and wondering why we allowed these people to dominate our lives for so long, whilst they were abusing, covering up, lying, living in great comfort, and generally being hypocritical in pretty much everything.

    Tell me, why should I listen to a bishop like Treanor who is living in luxury and flying off around Europe and the world at every opportunity? He has nothing in common with me, a simple Catholic trying to live a decent and good life as best I can. He looks down on me, he and his ilk only want me around because I'm the one who pays for his lifestyle. Not any more.

    So, + Pat, don't even think of reconciling with the RC Church, even if they were to offer. They will just want to bring you back in to then fold in order to control you and shut you up. You do a greater service to the truth by staying outside and pissing in and keeping them on their toes !

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    1. You sound a very sad individual and deeply unhappy.

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    2. 10:02 sounds sensible, more like.

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    3. 10:55...not sad, or unhappy, just realistic about what I have had to learn over the last decade or so about a Church that has used and abused so many of us. It is shocking what we have discovered. Those who are good priests and bishops have kept quiet and are therefore complicit in so much of what has happened. They must be sad and unhappy at their complicity, but then they probably have not been courageous enough to do what + Pat did, namely call it out and make their own way. So, fair dues to + Pat. He might not always be right or perfect, and has his many failings, but he has had the courage of his convictions. Unlike so many of you priests and bishops in the RC Church.

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    4. 12.12: Your phrase - "you priests and bishops" in your last sentence is most unfair and a lie which some of "you people" like to perpetuate. I, along with many other priests and religious have expressed publicly at masses and at various Diocesan gatherings our abhorrence and disgust at all abuse and the way they were covered up by people in authority. We have expressed our shame, our anger and have consistently requested a new honesty, approach, accountability and justice for survivors. My bishop knows my feelings and my anger at the revelations of abuse and cover up. It is irritatingly annoying to be told that I am part of a cover up - I always confronted wrong of any kind, named it for what it is and sought answers and accountability. I and others like me have COURAGE. We make our views known. We are not silent enablers. Perhaps you should open your eyes and ears a little wider to see and hear beyond other voices this blog. And I too applaud Pat for his courage.

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    5. @14:17; You're not as courageous as you might think mate. All citizens of the State have a duty to report crime and/or the cover up of crime to the nearest cop shop!

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    6. 14:17, did you confront Treanor over the colossal sum of money he spent rennovating/refurbishing a home that he as a so-called 'shepherd' should not have been living in anyway?

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    7. Well, bully for you ! You deserve a Benemerenti medal ! You may well let the bishop know your anger at what has happened. But, why did it happen ? Because of the structures of your Church, which have allowed a dominant hierarchy, including you in your own little parish, to be unaccountable and answerable only to themselves. And, in addition, because of a dysfunctional clerical body that is required to live an unnatural and unwholesome life. So, you may be angry and you may speak your mind to your bishop, but you are part of a structure that is rotten and has led to this abusive behaviour by so many of your confreres. If you really are angry, then you should get out of the rotten system and find somewhere that is wholesome and holy. Because the RC Church ain't that !

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    8. 14:17 don't come that with the readers of this blog.
      Glad you feel satisfied you've expressed your anger at the failings of the institution you represent and to which you have vowed obedience.
      The cover up which has been made public is only the tip of the iceberg and in the years to come your position will continue to be exposed as invalid.
      You are expressing anger at Mafia bosses for crime, you are deluded and in denial.
      The cover uppers laugh at your kind behind your back because your expression of anger is nothing. Nothing. Your anger will be ignored by the monster which has ignored every other complainant.
      When you comment on here that you've gone to the guards or left the stinking Catholic corpse, I will believe in your anger.

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    9. Well called out. 1417 is a sanctimonious prig full of his own self sacrifice, whereas in fact he is part of the stinking, rotten corpse that is the Church. He can't get away with telling us how courageous he is and how angry he is. If he were so he would long ago have left and found a more honourable way of serving Christ. I, we, have no time any more for the self admiring, self professing supposedly hard working priest (who were able to fool us in the past), who are part of all the shiite that has been going on, either directly or indirectly. They all stink of the sinful crap that the Church and its leaders have poured over we poor faithful people. Shame on them. The sooner they are out of the way the better.

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    10. @14:17; What takes genuine courage is to face life and deal with the consequences of clerical criminality and cover up. The spiritual abuse alone, as a consequence of clerical crime, is itself appalling and that's only aspect of clerical criminality that a victim has to deal with long term.

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    11. 16.40: I'm not your mate!! I have COURAGE in speaking out against all abuse and cover ups. I have never shirked my responsibilities. And, Yes, I am aware of my moral responsibilities to report any abuse or suspicion of abuse to the relevant authorities. This I have done in the past and will continue to do so. This doesn't require "courage" but a sense of right and wrong, a moral compass which, thankfully, I've had all my life, even as a priest!!

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    12. @23:06; Well aren’t I the lucky one mate!
      It’s crime man crime and not simply abuse! Don’t try to minimize and call it what it is....CRIME! Ok matey!

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    13. Anonymous at 23:28

      Hi Magna! drunk as usual matey OK!

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    14. @8:10; On new wine matey...not like the brew you concoct!

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  10. Bp Pat; keep an eye on what's going on in Waterford and the Bill Kenneally case. There's a potential outbreak of the caca coverups if what thejournal.ie reports this morning is accurate.

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  11. The road less travelled that supposedly makes a "difference" is also a theme in much spiritual writings. The "difference" as experienced may not always be a beneficial or life enriching difference. John Dalrymple wrote a book called The Longest Journey - referring to the theme that the journey to the "heart" is the most difficult as it compels us to confront all our demons, realities/truths of our lives as distinct from false perceptions, to acknowledge the necessity to renew our spiritual truths daily and to grow into the icons of the Christ we follow. The "heart" journey is the longest, often painful but most fruitful journey. We cannot pretend with this depth, reflective journey. When we own our "truth", however unpalatable, then we can make a difference. Incidentally, the crazy "alert" bloggers should being "The Longest Journey- then they might offer something useful and inspiring!

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  12. Pat Buckley: Ireland's Bishop Williamson

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    1. How do you make that out?

      Wiliamson is a Holocaust denier.

      In the recent past I went on a pilgrimage to Auschwitz and was devastated by what I saw and felt there.

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  13. I don't think (although all things are possible) that the RC hierarchy will try and put out the hand of friendship to Pat. He rightly has exposed too many of their dark secrets. I find it hard to believe that Christ is present in this darkness. However I am convinced beyond doubt that Christ will intervene in the RC mess and raise up good men and women to provide true leadership which reflects the gospels. Our faith should not be in men but in God. It is right that Pat is shining a light into this darkness and long may he continue to do so. The RC hierarchy both at local and international level are a cabal of power hungry despots who have as their motto "do as I say and not as I do". Hypocrites of the highest order. Where is Christ in their actions? Christ was NO hypocrite

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    1. You are the hypocrite Downpatrick idiot @ 11.15

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  14. Bishop Pat everyone likes reconciliation and that is part of life but whoever is saying this on your blog is sadly is misleading.


    You are is a Civil partnership / Marriage and you would need to give that up as it is against the Church teachings and only the last few weeks we have once again had Pope Francis informing Bishops of the UK to get the Church Cleansed and actively Gays will be asked to leave.


    Then you cannot be a Bishop is anything it would be a Curate or Chaplin role you would be offered if this insider is correct but he is wrong.

    you would need to go on loads of training for Pastoral committees, Finance Committees and Safeguarding.

    sadly like most of your bloggers on this site they will return to the True Church nearer their death or on their death bed all very sad they should Return now.

    Finally to the Scottish Bloggers going on about Archbishop Leo Cushley well he is going nowhere read his article in the Crux and he is staying although he does not say he will be Scotland's Cardinal for cleaning up Saint Andrew's and Edinburgh and I just hope our Bishops here in Ireland would start NOW.

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    1. A Civil Partnership is not ma marriage.

      I did not bring up this subject of reconciliation.

      Several readers did.

      I merely responded.

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    2. @11:27; Here we go again, the...'nearer their death or on their death bed'...brigade are at it again. God is love and perfect love casts out fear!
      What are you afraid of at 11:27?

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    3. 11.46 yes God is Love and Casts out fears I totally agree.

      Pre Vatican had everyone in Hell but thankfully we all know Our Lord is a Loving and compassionate to All.

      that is the message Pope Francis tries daily to get across but these conservatives just keep getting him negative publicity.

      Hope you are all doing as he has asked in this month of October say the Rosary daily and the prayer to Saint Michael after all not everyone has forgot our history of the Church.

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    4. The "fear of the Lord" which is frequently mentioned in Scripture is a reminder that we must treat God's commands with real respect . His Love is very available to us but we keep our side of the contract and know that God will always be just to all His people..

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    5. 13.23 I wish they would bring back the second gospel.

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    6. MournemanMichael to Anon @ 14:20.

      The "fear of the Lord" you refer to is the 'big stick' with which the RC church beats the laity into submission, except it's not fear of the Lord: it's fear of hell and damnation against which only "Holy Mother Church" has all the answers! (They claim)
      Maybe abusing priests don't need to fear hell: after all they're 'ontologically different'!
      A bit like a pensioner's bus pass I imagine.
      MMM

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  15. Bishop Treanor is said to be a very humble man by those who know him
    I don’t know him, never met him.
    So I’m wondering is he or is he loving his luxury lifestyle?
    How can he be both?

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    1. He is a very humble man it is the press and the anti Catholics that keep going on and on about his home.

      The Bishop has NOTHING to do with property as it is the Property, Finance and Trustee's who make the decisions and investments.

      So his home was modernised for Health and Safety and to give him a nice home.

      Those on the outside think it is Bishops and Clergy that make the decisions well those days have well gone as it is transferred to Committees who make all the decisions and yes the bishop signs it off but not alone as there needs to be two signatures on every document.

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    2. 12:15, he CAN'T be both.

      Treanor allegedly spent up to four-million pounds, in a time of economic recession, renovating/refurbishing his home in Somerton Road. Apparently, most of this money came from 'the pennies of the poor'.

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      D&C have only recently had these new structures? All brought in around 2015 I believe. No lay people then. Just Treanor and his clerical buddies.

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    4. D&C Trustees : Very Rev Eugene O’ Hagan, Rev Joseph Glover, Mr Joseph Higgins, Mr Gerard McGinn, Ms Orlagh O’Neill, Ms Brenda Heenan, Mr Michael Scullion, Ms Rose Kelly, Mr Nicholas McKenna... Powerful group.

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    5. magna carta at 16:06

      Yes Magna the word is ALLEGEDLY you don't know what he spent, and I'm sure the pennies of the poor did not reach four-million pounds. You are just Church bashing as usual.

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    6. 19:15, to my knowledge, Treanor made no denial of the sums mentioned, so you could not possibly know whether those pennies amounted to less than four million pounds. You should familiarise yourself with the word 'allegedly', and apply it accordingly.

      And if I was 'bashing' anyone, it was Treanor himself. Ecclesiologically, Treanor is not the Church (though personally, from his seemingly arrogant extravagance, he might thinkk he is.)

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    7. Oh I'm sure the pennies of the faithful could grow to millions, through unethical investment of course.
      19:15 your sort makes me laugh. Yes he's church bashing. No he won't listen to you. That's the point of what Magna says, and he explicitly says it: to draw attention to how the church is rotten.
      As he would put it:
      BAAAAAA!

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    8. Lol the bishop doesn't have responsibility for it, it's the committee. Just the latest way the bishops can avoid anything like accountability. Any lay person reading this who's employed in a responsible position by the church, get your notice in quick because you'll be next to carry the can.

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    9. ANONYMOUS AT 20:10

      Your sort make me laugh,the point is Magna is never done church bashing and so it becomes a bit tedious. We have heard it all before from the drunken lips of the aul lush,and all Magna does is to show just how rotten Magna is, so BAAAAAA! to you.

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    10. magna at19:49

      Bishop Treanor made no denial of the sum mentioned, neither did he confirm it. So you could not possibly know what sum was spent you should familiarise yourself with the word
      'allegedly' and apply it accordingly . But you won't because all you ever do is bash the Church, you are so arrogant you think you are always right. And that is fueled by your own personal extravagance 'The Drink' why don't you donate some of that to the poor.

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  16. You are talking through yer hole @11.27. You can't even differentiate between civil partnership and marriage and you equate them. Fool.

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    1. 11.27 no need for vulgarity are you speaking about my mouth however sounds like a magna quote.

      Both Civil Partnerships and same sex Marriages are against the teachings of the Church.

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    2. There is absolutely no moral teaching by 'the Church' on civil partnerships. In fact, Pope Francis himself favoured their introduction in Argentina when he was Cardinal Archbishop of Buenos Aires.

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    3. Magna at 16:04

      Thanks for telling us that Mags, another reason we have to get rid of him.

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  17. @12:12; I totally agree with 12:12s comment. Am I right in thinking Bp. Pat, that Priests promise obedience to their Bishop? If that's the case,is it any wonder that their are so many moral cowards in the Priesthood.

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  18. 12.54 I think it is worse than that. They also vow respect to him and his successors.

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  19. Forget clerics - this is the most powerful financial person in the Diocese of Down and Connor

    https://www.businessfirstonline.co.uk/articles/tiarnan-oneill-down-and-connor-diocesan-trust-40under40-profile/

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    1. And the most powerful people in D&C and their leader Mrs McDermot...

      http://www.downandconnor.org/safeguarding/personnel/

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    2. I see this page describes Andy Thomson as the 'vetting and baring co-ordinator'. Amusing mistake.

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  20. @14:17; Get this into your head;.....what's gone on and what has been covered up world wide in the Rc Church is CRIME...! Not simply abuse, but CRIME, and the cover up of CRIME on a grand scale!

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    1. 15.56 There is an interesting article in the Tablet. In the USA they are employing ex FBI agents to do background checks on all the cardinals in preparation for the next conclave.

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    2. That's exactly what these people are determined not to see!

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  21. Magna, how is your PSNI Supervision Order going?

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  22. Pat... I've often been very critical of you but I must say that this read gives me a sense that you are genuinely open to reconciliation and peace which is the right thing and brings great peace of mind!

    Love your enemies is the greatest teaching if all, but we all fall short very often and the Church also has much fault and short-comings.

    I sincerely hope this is the start of bridge building between you and the Church.

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  23. Can anyone tell the good folk of Holy Family Parish why THEIR parish priest - - who is actually Bishop Treanor since he lives in their parish very close by and is the only parish priest they have - - very, very rarely comes to their church to say one of the Masses . Can anyone please tell me why, even after he has lived in the parish for several years now, he wouldn't know a single one of them to even say hullo to, never mind their names?!! And yes, I attend Mass there every Sunday come snow, hail, rain or shine. So pardon me if I don't buy into this "he's humble" lark. He is a separatist, cold and aloof and the Administrator is the same... dull as dishwater.

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    1. ANONYMOUS at 23:52

      They probably think the same about YOU!

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    2. They certainly do not "think the same about me" - otherwise who would organise their tea parties and do their shopping ?! Whey-hey.. don't think so mate! You're way out.. an Irish mile!

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