Thursday, 28 December 2017

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  1. Rome seminarian home on my jollydays, as we like to say28 December 2017 at 23:42

    Pat, have you seen this clip from the Vatican Christmas Concert 2017. A bit creepy on a few levels. Does she mean a particular man, or Jesus? https://gloria.tv/video/8AxVXNiWsZat19Sa2CJYeauqw

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    1. @23:42 I thought it was very good and that if the reverend lady were not a nun she could have a great career in music! 23:42, Have you never seen the film or musical "Sister Act"? Which puts a religious dimension on other popular songs..to great effect and uplift I might add. The physical manifestations in both the ecstatic mystical experience and incarnate romantic experience are much the same. I am also reminded of pop artist Madonna's song "Like A Prayer," "The Song Of Songs" and Mother Julian Of Norwich.

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    2. Can't you provide a shorter link? (Sigh)

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    3. I watched that clip with the long, long link.

      What can I say? I could say that 'I cringed throughout' (which would be true). Alternatively, I could say that 'I was embarrassed for that poor young nun' (who the hell told her she could sing?) But I want to sound positive today, so I'll say this: 'At least she and Francis weren't singing that grossly overplayed former Christmas 'hit' as a duet.'

      By the way, liked the statue of Satan in the background. The sculptor expresses his fiery essence well.

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    4. When it comes to popular culture the Churchs is like an embarrasing uncle, way out of touch. Why, for example, do "folk Masses" persist, when their brief moment was in the 1960s. Is it because that banal church music was first heard by the oldies who comprise Catholic congregations nowadays?

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    5. The nun is Sister Cristina. She won the Italian version of "The Voice" competition in 2014.!

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    6. She wouldn't have had my vote.

      Caterwauling does not appeal to me.

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    7. Except when it's yourself doing the caterwauling, eh Magna?!!!

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    8. @14:12 I like Folk Mass music, congregational hymns and plainsong. I'm nearly 49. Another former osb said to me, "There is good chant and there is bad chant, good modern music, bad modern music." To which I wholeheartedly agreed, however, where we may still all agree is that assigning each it's category, there we may disagree, but lets do it agreeably, there is room for all styles. :-)

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    9. Magna Carta douze points!

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  2. So has the newly ordained priest being suspended during the investigation as is new ruling since abuse scandals became public knowledge?

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  3. Pope Francis is Ireland's Favorite World leader.The poll also identifies the Pope as the most popular world leader.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pope-francis-is-ireland-s-favourite-world-leader-1.3339917

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    1. "Woe to you when the world speaks well of you. This was how their fathers treated the false prophets".

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    2. You would Pat quote scripture to swipe at Pope Francis! Pope Francis wouldn't at all be interested in such a poll. He doesn't need that approval. He's a humble man. But isn't it great that he is so highly thought of and in the Senate and Dail Eireann, Pope Francis is quoted frequently. So, what's bugging you? Is it jealous? Who'd ever quote you for inspiration? Who?

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    3. All well and good. 'Saint' JP was just as popular...and look what he was up to.

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    4. @12:23 "Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." Isn't it great that Francis is popular with the abortion supporters and lapsed Catholics? Though not with real ones. St Peter's Square was half-empty for the Christmas Urbi et Orbi this year.

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    5. If Francis is so popular in Ireland why aren't the churches packed to the rafters? He's not a sign of contradiction, that's for sure. The Irish people who think he's the best Pope ever will probably vote for abortion a few weeks before he arrives. What leadership and I doubt he will say a word about it during his visit.

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    6. 14:04, it was the 'real' religious of Jesus' time who found him unpopular...so much so they concocted a charge (treason under Cesare) and had him nailed to wood. They remind me of 'real' Catholics like you.

      And isn't it strange that it was the non-real religious who ran to Jesus and who were, in his own words, going to enter the kingdom ahead of the 'real' religious? You know: people just like you.

      Strange, isn't it?

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    7. Arlene, you should wait and allow the Pope to speak for himself. Don't try to rush in and second guess in that way. It's easy to assume you always know better..

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    8. Perhaps Pope Paul VI would have been the most popular leader of his time if he spoke out of both sides of his mouth, regularly talked off the top of his head to media hacks about important spiritual topics and generally muddied the waters on so many issues. The world would have loved him and those trying to keep their show of rank and privilege in good public standing would have hailed him.

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    9. 21.56
      Another tediously cynical diatribe.

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    10. 02:26
      My comment is neither tedious nor cynical and it is not a diatribe. There is nothing untrue in what I said. In fact it may need to be shouted from the rooftops.

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    11. 19:42 A denial is not a refutation.

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  4. Another strange story. Maybe it's more sociological than religious but why are organisations such as the church in certain circles so drawn to inappropriate sexual expression.Stranger still why do such people go on to ordination and take the associated promises. Do they not believe in God or law or what.

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    1. Why are you Sean always making such garbage points? Do you also like inanity like so many on this blog.

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    2. 12.24 - a ridiculous reply to a good question.

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    3. 12.24 Hi Friend. S*hit is in the nose of the beholder.

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  5. I asked a question at 00.13, can someone answer please.
    Understood that is was now church policy to suspend any suspected priest until after an investigation.

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    1. The Vatican probably has an exemption in the policy, or code of conduct.

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    2. Pat can you correspond with the Vatican to ask if this priest is suspended pending investigations ?????
      This is serious stuff....as you have reported that the newly ordained priest was moved to ??????

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    3. The Vatican couldn’t possibly have a different policy to the one recommended by themselves.

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    4. Back in the day the Vatican had its own breviary with, I believe, the Psalterium Romanum. So why not different rules?

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    5. @13:33 Really? Their teachings on poovery don't seem to apply to them.

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  6. 4.00
    Just shows that the Rc church still has most of the Irish people brainwashed

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    1. I'd say it has more to do with the dwindling pool of good and inspirational world leaders than brainwashing.

      Not a huge fan of Pope Francis myself, but if it was a choice between the likes of May, Trump, Macron, Putin and Pope Francis, chances are I'd choose Pope Francis.

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    2. Stockholm syndrome

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    3. Putin is a great leader

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    4. In several respects, yes, 16.49.
















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  7. Pat, what's the latest on the Sean Jones situation? Old fogey priests in Dublin have it that Gorgeous has joined or is joining the boys in blue? I don't mean the Smurfs.

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    1. Maybe Diarmuid Martin has pulled a few strings to get him into the Garda?

      Sean Jones is lying low.

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    2. maybe they could check out Shaws bridge whilst on patrol.

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    3. Oops maybe not as crossing the border might get difficult after Brexit

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    4. The "old fogey priests" in Dublin are correct.

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    5. Maybe he just has blue balls now that he's out of seminary?

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    6. He could be like "Mike", one of the the 'friends' of disgraced Cardinal Maradiaga. Mike is a police chaplain, despite not being ordained, or even a Catholic.

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    7. "That's a lovely truncheon you have, Guard".

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    8. Heard a rumour that puck is now ryanair cabin steward

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    9. If he is than he is not the first active homosexual seminarian to take up that prodession. LO'DB did that too.

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    10. @16:13, I'm not being rude, but puck might fail the height/weight ratio test faced by cabin stewards/esses.

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    11. Well, no he isn't, 16:13. He is still a deacon in good standing in the Diocese of Kerry.

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    12. Did Little Old DB not join the Dominicans?

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    13. To 22.15; no he didnt. The Dominicans take a fair share of active homosexuals from Maynooth but not that one. He is now out and conducting his life in a more balanced way. Thankfully he is not destroying a seminary community any more but he did a lot of damage, and I mean a lot.

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  8. How do u know Frankie is a humble man 12.23
    Do you know him personally ?
    Grow up

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    1. 13.13. What's your gripe about Pope Francis, a most humble servant of Christ! Yes, I know him personally, I have afternoon tea with him, I join him on his nightly walks to be with the poor and homeless. He's my Best Friend!! Grow up you fool. What's wrong in supporting this good Pope?

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    2. Do truly humble people go round making ostentatious gestures of humility in front of the cameras? He pays his accommodation costs at the conclave. Cameras present. He renounces the Papal Apartments but still uses them and they have to be maintained. Cameras present. Allows the fiction that Santa Marta is a hostel. It's actually a very agreeable apartment block. Photos of his room there spread round the world. No cameras to show that he's taken over an entire floor, that the Vatican purchased and vacated the properties on the street opposite, and the gesture cost £2m.

      And in the visit to Dublin we'll witness the attention-seeking farce of him arriving by a big chartered airliner, then getting into a Ford Fiesta. What a fraud.

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    3. For security reasons, Pope Francis will abide by the transport arrangements best decided in advance in consultation between his Staff and the authorities here. I do not think he has any need or intention to be deceptive. Some of the arrangements are already agreed upon. (Sorry poster 16.42 if they ignored your suggestions. So best just keep quiet..)

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    4. 16.42: You possess all the traits of a sad, cranky begrudger. Get a life. Go out and do something for the poor and homeless instead of going all angry about Pope Francis. If he's not to your liking, get on with your life. Don't be upsetting your sensitive soul...

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    5. Tell you what’s wrong14.47 with your post
      If you a genuine person , you would not call any poster a fool.
      Some Christian you are!!!!!!!!????
      I only asked you to grow up and yes you should.
      I don’t have time to have afternoon tea with anyone...actually I never get afternoon tea.
      I’m busy employed looking after the sick here in Ireland
      So keep your pope over there and walk wherever yous want...see if I care.

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    6. 18.48: Keep digging a deeper hole for yourself. With your attitude, I'm surprised you are allowed near any sick person!! You should calm your nerves and go for hot bubbly wster therapy to soothe your inner angst....If your busy employed, enjoy your work but stop being a silly, foolish begrudger, whoever you are. God bless Pope Francis.

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    7. 18:48 sounds like one of Cinderella’s aesthetically-challenged siblings. Or the elder brother of the prodigal son.

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    8. "..if you're busily employed.."

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    9. Thank you 20.54, I forgot to check my words and grammar before I pressed "publish"....always good to write proper grammar!

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    10. 21:06 - you are welcome.

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    11. Hey, Francis fans! Why don't you emulate your idol and say "who am I to judge" instead of attacking sceptics worried about the Dictator Pope. No doubt the Wounded Healer will be on the tarmac at Dublin airport to welcome the great man as he steps off his big plane.

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  9. Why don’t you 12.24 address the post and not attack the poster.

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    1. 13.14 - why don't you?

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    2. Because I dislike the way some posters attack Sean on a regular basis. He has the courage to post under his name...unlike you and I.

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    3. Ah yes...fair enough so, 14.08.

      By the way, that wasn't me at 12.24. I don't like many of the posts that are made here, including Sean's sometimes, but I try not to launch personal attacks against the posters. If Pat deems a post good enough for his blog, that's fine with me.

      God bless you.

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  10. @ 12,34
    No, I think it's more that some posters assume that many other Irish people must surely have the same ideas and views as they have. This is always a mistake.
    On some days and on some blog topics, i have noticed the range of opinion can be predictably narrow and towards the end of the day the posters may appear to settle on a consensus of opinion.
    It can be prudent to remember that there are thousands of people out there who neither read the blog and certainly wouldn't have supported some of the "agreed" opinions!
    So a wider survey - though still very incomplete - - helps to give a more accurate picture.
    The results come as no surprise to me at all.

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    1. I just give my own opinions, other’s opinions don’t influence me.
      So your assumptions don’t add up.

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    2. But that is exactly what the poster implies! That we should not assume that thousands of others out there agree with us... Some might... Thousands won't.

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    3. No he was saying that us posters agree on many issues, and so we think we know how the public think too

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    4. And now you have just proved him right. Nice one! I like it!

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  11. I made the comment at 12.34, if I was asked in a poll about Frankie, I wd say that I don’t really have an opinion .....
    I do not know the man...I do not believe that people will be driving miles to see him when he comes to Ireland...not after watching the last fiasco...Casey etc...what a carryon!!!!!!!!

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  12. Will Francis visit Maynooth?29 December 2017 at 14:53

    R.R. Reno has shown that Francis is debasing Catholicism into a form of “bourgeois religion”, that is, “the fusion of church culture with the moral consensus held by the good, respectable people who set the tone for society as a whole” (First Things, Dec. 2017, p. 67). It’s the kind of religion the Irish Times will approvingly pat on the head.

    Two books from 2017 that document this unfolding papal catastrophe: George Neumayr’s The Political Pope: How Pope Francis is Delighting the Liberal Left and Abandoning Conservatives, and Marcantonio Colonna’s The Dictator Pope.

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    1. 14:53 Carp, criticise and condemn as much as you feel and believe you need to. Francis is probably the most effective evangelising pope in history, not to mention one of the most recognised and popular people on the planet.
      Proof positive, if you need it, that the Holy Spirit was alive and active in the 2013 Conclave.

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    2. Didn't know the Holy Spirit was a corrupt politician and PR man!

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    3. Yes, 20.02 - the Holy Spirit was alive and active during the 2013 conclave. However, it does not follow that the cardinals listened to the Holy Spirit.

      I second 14.53's recommendation of "The Dictator Pope" of you want a well-documented account of the rise of Jorge Bergoglio. The Holy Spirit barely gets a look in.

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    4. 20.31 knows more than a majority of cardinal electors. I know which side I'd be persuaded by.

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    5. 20.31 does not claim to know more than "a majority of cardinal electors". The only claim made by 20.31 is that not even the cardinals in conclave are forced to follow the promptings of the Holy Spirit. I don't see how there is anything to be "persuaded by" - surely it's basic logic?

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    6. Thank you, 00.35 for explaining. I now get 20.31's earlier point and I completely agree.

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    7. The Holy Spirit does not pick Popes, fallen men do.

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    8. 15:34 Who says your alternatives are mutually exclusive?

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    9. 00.35 has confused the subject and the predicate. If the alternatives are that the majority which elected Francis did so under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit or not, the outcome favours one alternative.

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    10. The Holy Spirit chose John Paul I then changed his mind 33 days later. That's what the Ultramontane's think.

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  13. I am sure many people will decide wisely to leave their cars at home that day and avail of all the extra transport - - coaches etc which will be laid on coming in from the various parts of the country. You think not?
    Wait and see. Wait and see...

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    1. I'm not worried at all. Mgr Tim Bartlett is in charge of proceedings, so it'll be a marvellous success.

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    2. Marvellous....lol

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    3. I’m sure many people will will be at their jobs as usual.

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    4. It will be a mixture of people who are given the day off and other people - - depending on their occupations--who will be working flat out overtime. You can figure out which is which for yourself.

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    5. Is Bartlett a Monsignor?

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    6. 22:05 - only in his dreams and our nightmares.

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    7. Unfortunately not, as Frankie put paid to all these young monsignori mincing around. You have to be over 60 now for that honour.

      But not to worry as Timbo will soon be a bishop.

      The yearned for, planned and plotted for, long toiled for, coveted prize, is almost within his grasp.

      Maybe Clogher?

      Could even be Dublin if he plays his cards right and is prepared to be patient, for another few years, until Dermo is pensioned off?

      The possibilities, like his dreams, are without limit.

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    8. Joe McGuiness is getting Clogher. The dogs in the street and the cats on the mat know it. There has been intense lobbying by the retired bishops of Clogher and with Nuncio Brown gone the chances of an outsider appointment have diminished. Clogher under Joe Duffy turned into a total "old boys" outfit.

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    9. It doesn't really matter anymore about who gets Clogher. Yes, it will be Joe Mc Guinness because the retired bishops, Duffy & Mc Daid, are storming Rome to get their man in place. The older priests want him too so it's game over! However, he does not have the support of th younger clergy so he'll not have it all his own way. Clogher lost two priests this month through death and the number of priests is now below 60. We will die out within ten years.

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  14. Hope the buses will be free, or will the extra cash from bus fare be swallowed up by the men in pink, so that they can dine with more fine wine.

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  15. From what I remember from the last time,I think each passenger just paid an amount towards the total hiring fees of the bus company on the day. Then other groups eg Boy Scouts, church choirs, certain parishes etc made their own separate coach hire plans and collected the money in advance in some cases if it was easier to organise. But the lines of cars caused long,long delays both on the way to each chosen venue and on the return journey. I arrived with my church choir back home to Belfast from Drogheda venue at shortly after 4.00am in broad daylight! It was August of course. Exhausted next day or so, but an unforgettable experience that we all shared, North and South. Some other people chose the Knock venue... We didn't have a Northern Ireland venue because of the delicate political situation. So we went to Drogheda.

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    1. In Enniskillen the rumour spread that there were two spare seats suddenly free on the St Michael's parish bus to Knock. My sister and I rushed round and were at the head of the queue. When the doors opened and the driver announced "2 seats only" my sister stepped forward.

      As quick as a flash, a woman in her 70s pushed forward from behind me in the queue, grabbing my place. I was 11 and had a firm sense of justice but she said "at my age this is my only chance to see a Pope. You'll see plenty."

      They went off to Knock and I went home.

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    2. I hope your sister had someone to look after her there, she prob not much older than you.
      Lots of unholy men around knock then.
      Sure she prob saw the pope again since.....if we are to believe the holy Roman Catholic Church.

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    3. 18:00, hope the bitch repented of her bullying pig ignorance.

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    4. Maybe the “bitch” Carta will also repent of his/her “bullying pig ignorance”.

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    5. Ach, the woman probably only wanted a wee lift out to the Robin Bar. Sure the Enniskillen bus service was shockin'... I can't remember if Maurice Cassidy's own Erne Bus service was still runnin' that time? I definitely think not at that stage. Only the Ulsterbus or do without..

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    6. For Magna Carta to call someone a “bitch” and accuse her of “bullying pig ignorance”. How’s that for irony? Lol

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  16. The official history of Ulsterbus (a surprisingly gripping read) reveals that the fleet of chartered buses and coaches for the JPII visit was their biggest and most complex operation.

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    1. Thanks posters who wrote their recollections! Also thanks @ 17.49.That fits in with my own memories of the day! I never ever, before or since, saw so many Ulsterbuses lined up in the distance waiting for the return journeys. We made a note of "our" registration number and got the same driver. Don't drink too much water or the like on your trip. Those toilet queues!! And wear well broken in flat shoes. Some people in cars brought a cushion and a deck chair. If you are going to a huge venue, bring binoculars. Bring your Rosary beads. Those would be my tips from the last time.! Don't bring children under around 8yr old as they will be cranky, hungry and impatient if there are inevitable holdups. But do go.. even if you are sceptical and undecided... You will never regret it. You will become part of history, yes, but you may be surprised how deeply the experience affects you in a way you never anticipated.

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    2. Obviously u don’t read much then17.49. A gripping read about bus schedules....ha ha have fun

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    3. We all will be part of history, but sure who wd want to read it.

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    4. I’d rather que up for a u 2 concert anyday

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    5. You do that @ 20.45.
      Honestly--you won't be missed.

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  17. I wonder if our lives would have been different if Denis Fall and Eddie Daly had kept out of people’s political wars.

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  18. Lol at you 19.37, obviously you not out much.
    Did u know you can bring a uri bottle theses days, yes even for women
    And then there is always behind a tree....like we did at bucking palace during the queens birthay or jubilee celebrations...no need to que in ireland

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  19. Believe you me, I am out enough to do me and to do other people.. And yes, I was perched up on the top deck of the double-decker during a long traffic jam just this side of Newry. The fellows started to slip out of the bus, nip behind the whin bushes and back into the bus which had moved barely an inch if at all.
    The overreaching view from the top deck was more interesting than some of us were ready for... You learn a lot on these trips!

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      LOL You're a comedienne I think..

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  20. You think the women in 1979 carried "uri bottles"!
    Maybe you're the one who needs to get out more . Or stay in and read up...

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  21. Pat I’m still awaiting your opinion on that new priests whereabouts.
    Is he suspended...and if not can you enquire why ?

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    1. +Pat can't do everything; he has enough on his plate with Maynooth.

      Write yourself to the The Catholic Diocese of Como, Viale Cesare Battisti 8, 22100 Como CO, Italy, for confirmation.

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    2. f*cking nosey-body. mind your own business. you've little else for doing

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  22. Pat, did Kieran the Kiwi explain why he didn't go to the Little Brothers for Christmas as he had intended?

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    1. Probably got waylaid at the Giant's Ring.

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  23. Francis was pictured with a group of Protestant clergy who had been invited to the Vatican. One of these men is a 'Prosperity Gospel' preacher with his own jet, a wonderful house and a face that appears to have seen many a misdirected scalpel. This guy promises to pray for the intentions of those who send him money (but according to some of his ex-staff doesn't actually bother). Look him up on YouTube (a pity the Vatican staff don't bother to do such basic research) - Kenneth Copeland. One of his proteges, 'bishop' Tony Palmer, unfortunately died in a road accident and was accorded the burial of a Catholic bishop on the orders of the Pope. Now we have Madriaga who has been accused by a whole host of people as being on the take in a big, big way from his own archdiocese in Honduras and who the Pope has put in charge of the Vatican's charity funds as well as, indirectly, in charge of the audit of the Vatican bank as leader of the Pope's advisory council! According to the writer of 'The Dictator Pope' (who Francis is currently frantically trying to identify according to insiders) Hillary Clinton was the beneficiary of $1 million for her election fund from Peter's Pence.

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    1. Jesus too didn't care much who he was seen with.

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  24. Ulsterbus (aka Translink) are thinking of changing some of their timetables next Spring! You need to get your hands on a copy as soon as it hits the shelves, guys. Promises to be gripping stuff!

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    1. Hope they bring back the night bus to the Giant's Ring.

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  25. 23.57 your desperate attempts to blacken Pope Francis by association show how morally bankrupt you are.

    Jesus was not afraid to be publicly associated with taxcollectors, prostitutes and sinners.

    He didn’t reckon on people like you trying to smear by association.

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    1. Why won't Francis meet the dubia Cardinals? Calling another poster "morally bankrupt" isn't in the spirit of "who am I to judge".

      Talking of bankruptcy, surely that'll be the fate of Cardinal Maradiaga's diocese with all the backhanders, missing millions and strange goings-on?

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    2. 13:08 There is a huge difference between adopting a ‘who am I to judge?’ attitude towards gay people in relation to their given orientation, about which they didn’t have a choice, and the actions of someone who aims to condemn by association - a course of action for which they are morally responsible.

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    3. Surely gay people, like the rest of us, are morally responsible for how they act on their orientation. This applies to straights too, or do gay people uniquely get a Papal dispensation? Typical grandstanding and playing to the gallery by Francis.

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    4. 13.08 "Why won't Francis meet the dubia Cardinals?"

      Well, two of the four are now dead and a third is Burke beloved of this blog.

      In any case Cardinal Gerry Muller, the sacked head of the holy office, who has given us all a splendid example of how to behave with dignity and integrity when shabbily treated by the church we have loved, has recently boomed that he is very pleased with Francis' moral theology and that the dubia are just trivia in fancy dress. And, if that is not enough, his good friend old Benny has come out to cheer him on.

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    5. From 23:57. It is not I who am 'morally bankrupt' it is a Pope who associates with outrageous heretics not for the purposes of correction but for friendly chats. He appointed Maradiaga to the highest possible appointments, this is more than associating with him, it is encouragement. He is due to resign today at the age of 75, let's see whether the Pope leaves him in post. My guess is that he has no choice.

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    6. ‘Associating with outrageous heretics.’ like Samaritans and Syrophoenician women. I wonder where he would have learned to do that.

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    7. 15:40 that’s true. It would be as morally reprehensible for a gay person to have sexual relations with another gay person as it would be for a straight person to have them with another straight person.
      Or did you wish to make a different point?

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    8. And Jesus wasn’t even correcting the Syrophoenician woman.

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  26. There are stories circulating about a supposedly shoe-in candidate for bishop who will have to deal with issues around placing imprudent gambling bets.

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