Wednesday, 14 March 2018

CARDINAL NICHOLS ON GENDER

From Catholic Herald

The cardinal warned Catholic schools against embracing gender ideology

Cardinal Vincent Nichols has said that schoolchildren must accept the gender into which they were born if they are to be truly happy.

Entering the debate on the “ideology of gender” publicly for the first time, Cardinal Vincent Nichols suggested that only through accepting their biological sex would people ultimately find their “greatest joy”.

The Archbishop of Westminster told a meeting of Catholic head teachers that children were not “single, self-determining individuals” but members of a great family with “firm points of reference” determined by birth.

His remarks represent a rejection of the gender ideology being imposed upon many public institutions and associations – and giving rise to such practices as sharing toilets, changing rooms and other facilities.

In his speech to school leaders of his archdiocese late last month, Cardinal Nichols, president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales, appealed to a “common sense of humanity” as an antidote to the rampant individualism that he blamed for driving emerging ideologies.

He said it was the “foundation for much of Catholic moral teaching in areas of friendship, relationship, family life, human sexuality”.

“At a time of great confusion about the rules of sexual behaviour, about exploitation and abuse in every part of society, some firm points of reference, that are already built into our humanity at its best, are of vital importance,” said Cardinal Nichols.

“In an age of fluidity, even in gender identity, and at a time when the response to ‘difference’ is to become closed in a self-selecting world of the like-minded and reject that which is different, such foundations are so important.

“They affirm that there are ‘givens’ which come with birth and with solid identities and which project across generations,” he said.

“They help up keep hold of the reality that we are not single, self-determining individuals but members of a great family, with all its trials, diversities and struggles, and within that family, not alone, will we find our greatest joy.”

He reminded his audience that “British values”, such as the rule of law, democracy and human rights, which the Government intends to enforce in UK schools ostensibly to counter radicalisation, were founded on Christianity.

But in an unusually blunt criticism of public policy, he warned teachers that “government diktat or favour” alone would result only in the “barren expectations of tolerance”.

He said it would be better to help young people develop a sense of justice and fair play that was grounded in an “innate understanding of human nature and its dignity” rather than in an ideology.

“The Christian faith is not an ideology,” he said. “An ideology proceeds by destroying what is in its way. This we see in dramatic forms today, as it can be seen in most phases of human history.

“An ideology seeks to remove all that is opposed to it and to impose its ‘ideals’, no matter the objective cost.

“The Christian faith, on the other hand … looks with clear eyes at the reality before it, the reality of which it is a part: a neighbourhood, a culture, an economic system, an ecology.

“The Christian faith, more than any other, takes the reality of sin seriously, not pretending that we live in a utopia, or on a pathway of endless progress, but rather in a world marked by limitations and distortions.”

So far, even in Catholic schools, children are usually accepted into the gender of their choice rather than their birth.

Yet such practices risk putting Catholic schools at odds with Church teaching that God created people to be either male or female.

Transgender campaigners criticised the remarks of Cardinal Nichols, however, describing them as “not helpful”.

Heather Ashton, of transgender charity TG Pals, told the Mail on Sunday: “It is the responsibility of educators to be accepting, tolerant and understanding, and a religious bias should not have any impact on a transgender child’s needs.”

Last month when the Anscombe Bioethics Centre, an academic institute serving the Catholic Church in the UK and Ireland, published a briefing paper which vigorously opposed Scottish proposals to reform the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

The planned reforms, which are likely to be replicated later this year in England and Wales, seek to allow any person to change their gender by law simply by self-declaration.

They would remove existing provisions requiring a person with “gender dysphoria” to see a doctor first and to “transition” into a gender of their choice for at least two years before they can legally change.

They also seek to allow married people to change gender without the permission of their spouses.

Children will also be allowed to self-declare into a new gender from the age of 16 and those younger can do so without parental consent if they appeal to the courts.

PAT SAYS

Cardinal Nichols is not an expert on the topic of gender dysphoria.

I think his words are ignorant and unscientific.

This matter is best left to those who are experts in this area.

Nichols is spreading ignorance and misinformation

115 comments:

  1. Poor, poooooor Cardinal Vincent what's-'is -name? It's like a gardener telling an astrophysicist how to map the heavens.πŸ˜†

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    1. An uphill-gardener in this case.

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  2. Pat, I am not a fan of yours. However, what you say about Nichols is entirely correct and you seem to have a good grasp of Church politics in England & Wales. Nichols is a total control freak, if any of his clergy does not want to attend the annual Clergy retreat he wants to know in writing why not and where they will make alternative arrangements. He started this in Birmingham before his move to Westminster. Poor Vin is not trusted much by his Clergy.

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    1. I am well aware of Nichols control freakery.

      I wish you well :-)

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    2. @00.35 I think you left out Scotland. It’s not just England and Wales.

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    3. Scotland has it's own Cardinal. Scotland is distinct from England and Wales. Just for the record the Scots hate the English - who doesn't?

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    4. They do not.

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    5. @17.22
      Why do you make such a sweeping clichΓ©d statement as ".. the Scots hate the English--who doesn't "?
      That is outrageous and completely inappropriate. Do you not even realise that? You sound like a rural schoolboy in the 1950s.

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  3. Pat, Cardinal Nichols has every right to state his beliefs, his moral teachings and to ask relevant questions. To call him ignorant and unscientific is name calling and you resort to it every time you get an opportunity. I would trust the Cardinal's questions, reflections, ideals and concerns before yours. And before you take cheap shots at me, think carefully and intelligently first. Why is every Bishop wrong except the Bishop of Larne? Such arrogance! You've moved so fast this week on issues...that you've lost your spiritual inheritance. Nothing offered by way of nourishing the "inner spirit". Nothing. And we're so close to Holy Week! Wonder who you'll crucify that week??

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    1. I wonder if Cardinal Nichols has ever accompanied someone on their gender reassignment journey.

      The Bishop of Larne has.

      And he learned so much from this - including the humility not to pontificate on a very complex human situation.

      On such matters we clerics must listen, learn and offer compassionate support.

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    2. Who is the bishop of larne?

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    3. If it is in Down and Connor, then obviously it is in Bishop Treanor's diocese.

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    4. The Rt Revd +Pat should be given an honourary doctorate from the National University of Ireland for his tireless work on Maynooth.

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  4. Silly oul Vince. Sure what does he know. Silly oul Vince.πŸ˜…

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    1. Magna at 04.29: Another late night...but for once a subdued comment. Did you run out of booze which seems to set your mind on fire or did you take a 24 hour pledge against the stuff!!!To paraphrase your own words - Silly oul Mag. Sure what does he know. Silly oul Mag.

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  5. This actually made me laugh out loud given that it's being said by Cardinal 'me, me, me' Nichols. If he had insight into how he comes across to other people (and was bothered) the irony of his remarks would strike even him.

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  6. This is a new area and there is still much to understand. We need to not deminish the roles of male and female while being open to what the future reveals. When I was young a big thing in confession was "spilling the seed" Now it doesn't even rank on the sins list. This is about scientific and psychological discovery. We need to proceed with caution and faith not black and white judgement.

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  7. Any thoughts on doing a spiritual post, Pat?
    Lent? St Patrick's Day? Holy Week coming up?

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    1. Pat bloggs, we post 9.37
      Happy st Patrick’s day...enjoy if you can.

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    2. 10.00 - Pat is not capable of that task or challenge. Wouldn't be juicy enough. You'd have to have a capacity for Real Truth and to be acquainted with the spirit of the gospel of Christ.

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  8. Paddy’s day is for trad music, more trad music, the pub.
    The bank holiday Monday...a great weekend dancing and making the craic.
    Give us a break 9.37, don’t u think we have suffered enough this past few weeks.Our sons being abused at boys boarding schools,paying big fee for our sons to be beaten and abused,
    Do you honestly think that those now 50 year olds want to hear Pat preach.no they want to enjoy a weekend off with their families...if they are able psychologically to do this after their young lives were abused.

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  9. You are absolutely right to highlight this, Pat. It has long been clear that the only thing that matters to Nichols is his own career. His Cardinal's hat had been delayed until he wagged his tail and obediently shut down the LGBT support group in Soho - now kept behind the curtains at Farm St. The Assumption parish was then handed over to the Ordinariate, so perhaps at least he has a sense of humour. ' " The Christian faith is not an ideology, " he said. ' He is being disingenuous because that is precisely what he and most of his self serving fellow clerics are making it by waging a counter-cultural movement against social justice. NB these remarks were addressed to Headteachers in his diocese. Compare the wisdom and integrity of Rowan Williams who recently joined forces with Richard Dawkins to oppose the extension of faith schools. How can it be that the UK taxpayer should fund almost entirely the Catholic school system which sets itself against the principles of a tolerant and open society which most support and which are now, thank God, enshrined in law.

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    1. How often does it have to be said? Catholics pay their taxes the same as everybody else and, like several other respectable groups, they want their own schools.

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    2. That's why I think the state should not sponsor denominational education.

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    3. The notion that its a schools job to form you in a religious setting is a strange one. It is a schools job to educate. Whether we like it or not, no religion may be true which means its religious instruction is not really education at all. There are other ways to do the formation thing without taking over schools. Would we let a religion whose essential teaching said we should all commit suicide in ten years time to atone for the human race have anything to do with schools? Not everybody agrees that Catholicism is a safe healthy religion. Or Islam. So if we cannot discriminate we have nowhere to draw the line. Keep schools secular and there is no problem. Most Catholics do not care if their children know the faith or not. They want "Catholic" schools for certain reasons but indoctrination is not one of them. Do you really want children taught that same sex marriage is a terrible evil, that the mother's body integrity matters more than the life of her unborn baby, that children should not be granted gender re-formation if they are the sex opposite to what their bodies say or told that Moses was a good man when the b-----d had innocent people stoned to death?

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    4. It's the other way round. The churches pay 15% of the capital costs of their schools. Given that these pupils would be entitled to a place at a fully state school, the government is saving money because the churches pay 15% of capital costs. The diocese of Arundel & Brighton spends around £21 million a year on education.

      The State in Ireland and the UK is a Johnny-come-lately to education and healthcare. The churches were providing these for centuries before the state set up their systems.

      Also in N Ireland most of the apparently State schools attended mostly by Protestants are church schools in all but name. Protestant clergy are governors, often chair the board of governors, assemblies and RE have a Protestant flavour and Union Jacks and pictures of the Queen feature in some schools.

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    5. Absolutely wrong and unfair, Pat.!Catholic parents pay enough in taxes to be allowed the choice that you would expect in a democracy.

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    6. But why do Catholics want their own schools, 11:56? Isn't such parochialism and insularity not just counter-cultural, but against the Gospel mandate to evangelise?

      Catholic schooling is a very poor preparation for the religious and cultural confection of the wider world; in fact, it smells of religious elitism and apartheid, scarcely prized qualities in today's more egalitarian society.

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    7. The Union Jack isn't a Protestant symbol, nor necessarily is a picture of the Queen.

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    8. Wrong ! The Queen is the Head of the Church of England and her image reflects loyalty to that denomination.

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    9. Bullshit!! @ 16.47

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    10. 18:45, either your literacy or comprehension is impaired. Perhaps you have the double whammy of both.

      I said that a picture of the Queen isn't NECESSARILY a Protestant symbol. Yes, she is head of the Church of England, but she is also monarch; and among her subjects are Catholics.

      Learn to distinquish between her roles.

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    11. 18:49, 'bulshit!!? Now wasn't that a well-thought-out response to my post.

      Your intelligence, and your command of English expletive, are awesome.

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    12. Magna posts in the middle of the night and reappears in the middle of the evening to verbally abuse people - same old pattern.

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    13. The Queen is head of CoE. The spiritual running of the church is left to the church types in theory anyway. On the ground floor most people just get on with it. I have yet to see a picture of the Queen in most of the churches I've been in

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    14. Do you complain, 20:44, when posters to this blog verbally abuse me? No? Then shut the faic up!

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    15. MC deserves all he gets... He's the boyo can dole it out!--Always trying to punch above his weight. He gets as mad as hell when he is overshadowed. Has to butt in to everyone's conversation.. But people here are no fools!

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  10. You won’t be able to change that anytime soon when the Vicars daughter is resident in No. 10

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    1. I didn’t know Teresa May’s Father was a Vicar. It explains a lot. Boring person or as the Russians described her today - boorish!!! Thanks for that insight.

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    2. One more stick for you to beat her with....

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    3. @14.09 She doesn’t need anyone to beat her with a stick, she is doing it very well herself. What about Arlene’s DUP? They helped Teresa May to vote through an end to school dinners. Thatcher took their free milk and now the DUP have taken away their free dinners. We are not hearing very much about that.

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    4. I think Theresa May is wonderful lady and amazing politician. She's doing a great job as PM.

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    5. Apart from making a total ballsup of the Brexit negotiations...

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    6. @18.58 You are deluded.

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    7. Thank you 14:18 for mentioning the Tory & DUP deal to remove school dinners from the poorest. It's been unreported and I don't know why. In typical NI/DUP begging bowl style, NI is exempted from these arrangements. NI requires a HM Treasury of at least £11bn annually to bridge the gap between tax and excise receipts and public expenditure there.

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  11. This is the worst sort of destructive dogmatism -- and his motive for trampling on trans people is the very one he deplores: ideology.

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  12. It’s interesting that Vinny has promoted gay clergy to some of the plumb parishes in Westminster. A recent appointment was to a place in London that has the most millionaires. He hated Cormac being in his shadows so is now relieved he has gone.

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    1. Yes, especially to the SW6 postcode. Our Vin is a complete enigma

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    2. @13,21 some of them are single ex Anglicans. Hackney is just one place.

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    3. Magna, I don’t always agree with you. But I agree with you on this one. There is another one in another Green in Westminster.

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    4. Oi, 23:50! That 'Magna' is an unholy impostor. I am the real McCoy. Moi! Magna CARTA (not CarTAR)

      Do make the effort, old boy.πŸ˜†

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    5. (Thinks... they multiply like greenfly... pests .)

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  13. Good to see that the Cardinal has grown a backbone. He's following the Biblical injunction to "preach in season and out of season".

    Or should we just scrap the Cathechism and read the Guardian for teachings on morality and life?

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    1. He's following the biblical injunction about when he should preach. Very different from what he should preach.

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    2. 13.42 I agree with you. What Nichols said is largely true.

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  14. When man creates ideology it can collapse for people realise that the ideology is man-made. To have the best ideology and the most long lasting you need to claim revelation from God and to say that God's ways are mysterious if the revelation does not make much sense. I make no apology for considering the notion of God to lead to transphobia for it means believers can say, "By every test people have the right to change their gender but God has reasons of his own for forbidding it." But Jesus' nonsense about man being created male or female is no help and has caused untold damage to transgender people. I prefer to talk about gender fixing surgery than gender reassignment for it highlights how people have the wrong private parts and need them reshaped.

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    1. @13:48 - “Jesus’ nonsense”??? That remark shows clearly the hell-inspired insanity of this so-called “transgenderist” dictatorship. Diabolical madness. Truly the lunatics are taking over.

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    2. I loved Quentin Crisp's retort to that stinging, smug rebuke, 'male and female created he': 'Male and female created he...me.'

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    3. ' "transgenderist" ' dictatorship? 'hell-inspired insanity'? 'Diabolical madness'?

      Are you well, 21:23?

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    4. Ha ha ! It could be a description of you Magna.!.. Some wonderful new words for your armoury...

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  15. Pat is correct. Taxes are not hypothecated to support private prejudices but the common good. Consider the fight to end segration in American schools in the sixties.

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  16. One's freedom of choice in a democracy in such an important life choice as the choice of quality and standard of education is certainly not a "private prejudice ".
    What a thing to say !

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    1. Well said, 14.07. This blog needs a reality check today.

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  17. You are right that parents choose Catholic schools not for religious reasons but to secure the advantage of quality and standard of education. Catholicity especially in London operates as covert selection.

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    1. Yesterday the Belfast Telegraph newspaper (of 14th March, 2018)describes the A Level results and superiority of the N Ireland Catholic schools as nothing less than "astonishing". They were rated for results and performance and took all the first TEN places with the best non - Catholic school coming in at number eleven. Congratulations to all for their dedication and hard work!

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    2. MournemanMichael15 March 2018 at 22:06

      Objective analytical research on why NI RC schools predominate would prove interesting. Some biased commentators might argue that RCs are 'brighter'; that RC teachers are better;etc. But in the end what features of the RC faith belief creates the superiority scenario?
      Or might it be a cultural aspect that the "subjugated" minority nationalist/RC NI population have traditionally placed high value and expectations on education as their best prospects of success in a statelet run by "the other side intent on preserving power, privilege and domination?
      MMM

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    3. MMM you are are an atheist. Why are you bothering to comment on something you don’t believe in. You are becoming an idiot - don’t you realise that?

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    4. A sound insight, MMM.

      From a sociological perspective, there is little (if anything at all) to distinguish the State sector from the maintained: similar class backgrounds of students, comparable academic qualifications among teachers across the educational divide, etc. So the explanation for the disparity in academic attainment among students here must lie in personal motivation. This, I believe, has been influenced by the sectarian history of the Northern Ireland state.

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    5. MMN at 22.06: A rather pretentious question and analysis. Catholic Schools have a long tradition of seeking always to provide the best education. It's not complicated. Any reading of Catholic Education Ethos and Philosophy documents and essays will provide you with a resourceful understanding and give you insights into why such schools are committed to being the best. There's no need for conspiracy theories or false analysis. Just accept - Catholic Schools have a commitment to reaching for the highest standards - in all areas. You surely benefited from such opportunity?

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    6. 00:10, 'Catholic schools have a committment to reaching for the highest standards - in all areas'? Have they really?πŸ˜…

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    7. MourneManMichael16 March 2018 at 20:17

      Anon@ 23:46: thank you for your kind observations. Indeed perhaps I'm "becoming an idiot" in the eyes of some uncomfortable when I ask troublesome questions to which they have nothing useful to contribute in response.
      Anon @ 00:10: not an analysis, but indeed questions inviting insightful responses, like Magna's provision of his own perceptive perspective.
      Where I read your reference 00:10 to "Catholic Education Ethos...etc, being committed to being the best" I wonder if you have ever read any comparable non Catholic equivalent documents. I suspect they exist and are equally aspirational. More to the point I am obliged to wonder if you for one moment believe that non Catholic teachers only aspire to some lesser than best standard. I sincerely hope not. From a personal observation I would regard that as a slight on many committed teachers like my daughter, son in law and brother in law all of whom work in the non catholic sector and whom I know to be highly qualified and motivated hard working inspirational teachers.
      For my own part, and in response to your query if I had the benefit of a Catholic education, I would honestly say that my RC education, both at primary and grammar schools, was of a generally mediocre standard, as indeed was my subsequent almost six years seminary training. It was only after subsequent Scottish and English university education that I could appreciate their limitations.
      I have personally seen examples of "Catholic considerations" predominating in the appointment of teachers in the RC sector, with scant assessment of their experience and suitability.
      MMM

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  18. He looks like a transgender horse.

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    1. @ 20.54
      Are you contemplating the scene in your mirror by any chance??

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  19. Any word on Bishop Dermot's installation in Ossory on Sunday? Did all those Meath priests make it back to Meath safely? Meath has proided a bishop to Kildare & Leighlan and Ossory. Who will get Meath? It is a diocese with a lot of talent. Is it true that Dr Tommy O'Connor is top of the list?

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    1. That is a deliberate attempt to provoke. You know very well it’s not true.

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  20. Finnegan was my headmaster; the entire school was run on fear and paedophilia. Stevenson should be very worried about his activities.
    As to anonymous above praising catholic school results well of course no discipline problems boys wetting themselves in class out of fear

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    1. @21.32 I don’t believe a word you say

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    2. The historic dreadful conditions and discipline measures taken by Finegan and others like him fill me with horror as they do every decent person But that doesn't mean that we should project that blame on to today's good schools and excellent Staff to which the earlier poster referred. That would be a twisted and unfair logic and not only wrong but very stupid..

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  21. The figures would indeed be astonishing were these not grammar schools which exclude 75 % of the school intake.

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    1. But it's not just grammar schools - - definitely not!
      We recently had the top five secondary schools all come as Catholic schools also. (I, myself, wrote a post about it as we were so thrilled for our own children's progress and results and the fact that their school came in for such credit from the Inspectorate) It speaks volumes about some readers's attitudes though when you see how reluctant they are to give warm-hearted credit when it's due. I can sense that reluctance in the curmudgeonly remarks of some .

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  22. Pat, your responses all day are shallow, unlearned, unintelligent and un-analysed. Cardinal Nichols is absolutely within his rights to preach the truths of the Catholic Faith. You blow with the wind and make up your beliefs as you go along. There may sometimes be a little inspirational challengs in some of your reflections but mostly your comments are unenlightening and more sound byte than real debate or dialogue. I respect your views but I don't agree with your interpretation of various narratives - too biased and prejudiced. You should extend similar respect to others and cease name calling and stop writing people off because they don't share your world view. And please, do Mags Blue a favour - get him therapy - soon, real soon.

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    1. 21:55, 'the truths of the Catholic Faith'? You need a catechetical education...in a holy hurry. There is absolutely, totally NO teaching on transgenderism at all. Zilch! Not a sausage. Nothing.

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    2. Bullshit! (@Magna, who likes brevity LOL)

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  23. Congratulations to all Catholic run schools - always reaching and seeking after what is best and totally dedicated to enabling each person achieve his/her potential. I benefited from such an education and am grateful for the opportunities given to me and my family by Catholic schools.

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    1. Thank you @ 21.57 for your appreciative remarks! You are like a breath of fresh air. (A teacher)

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  24. To 18.45. Perhaps when you get a chance to get out of the goldfish bowl that is NI and go to mass in a church in London, for example, you will hear during the bidding prayers a prayer for the sovereign. I have also been present at mass where the final hymn is a very vocal rendition of God save the Queen and what’s more the union flag often flies at the cathedrals. So please 18.45 don’t display your manifest ignorance!

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    1. No RC Church in London sings the national anthem. Only on very special occasions. Stop peddling lies.

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    2. Re/bidding prayers etc for the sovereign - - I'm afraid your high-horse indignation is a little misplaced! You completely missed the point that the poster was making and so you are wrongly assuming that you can compare like with very unlike.
      Believe it or not, this is NOT England. This is a different nation, Ireland. Therefore the poster is absolutely correct to point out that emblems,flags and pictures of the Queen are regarded quite rightly as foreign to some. The correct place for them is in England (where incidentally I frequently spend time on business)

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    3. 'Only on special occasions', then. So he wasn't 'peddling lies', was he? Prick.πŸ˜†

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    4. I have news for you, poster @22.02--We, here, don't live in England . So we don't don't need to carry out your monarchy rituals and forelock tugging (Thank goodness!)

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    5. I've never seen the union flag in any Catholic church in England. English Catholics are of course patriotic and admire the Queen, even if not monarchies. But displaying the union flag is a bit infra dig. Though a good few American Catholic churches have the Stars & Stripes, even in the sanctuary.

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  25. The Cardinal's relationship with his priests is irrelavent in the context of the subject matter he was dealing with. In typical Bucklerian style all kinds of red herrings are dragged in making an Argumentum ad Hominum that muddies the waters.
    I suspect that this is probably because the self-styled 'Bishop of Larne' lacks the intellectual capacity to discuss the real issues and prefers the mayhem generated by his smoke and mirror tactics.

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    1. As a PP in the East End I respect the Bishop of Larne more than my Archbishop in Ambrosden Avenue. A dominant person if ever there was one. He is subtle but ruthless - sounds like someone in SAN Pietro

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  26. +Pat I hope you have a special scandal for us on the feast of St Patrick; a truckalicious one from A1 dual carriageway would be fun for the celebration.

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    1. Have you listened to yourself you assh*le. You are totally beyond morality. You’ve been on here before feeding on gossip - go back to the sewer where you belong.

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    2. Yesterday (14th)a poster said that he/she didn't believe that some readers actually pestered Pat to provide details of new scandals. I posted to the effect that they most certainly did!
      I hope that particular poster believes me now if he/she reads the post @ 22.32
      What sort of person has a hunger to read about other people's wrongdoing and their disgrace??

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    3. Why are local newspapers full of court reports? Are the people who read them bad people?

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    4. But people don't write in to the newspaper with appeals for even juicier scandal.. as the poster does to Pat @22.32. That sort of addiction to scandal appeal regularly is made by at least one poster on this blog and possibly more than one.

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    5. 00.10 Why are you lying?
      You said posters in general first time. You were and are wrong.

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  27. So the bishops won’t do the survey to say where they getting all the money for the pro-life campaign.
    Where the f###k would theyget it only out of our pockets.
    Pat can you email and ask them are they spending mine and others money on this....please
    Cover Up Cover Up Cover Up Rc Ireland Cover Up Cover Up.
    Answer no Questions....either about who knew what in holy Ireland about abuse , both physical and sexual...little boys having to hang their heads in case they singled out for abuse.And Cover Up about where u getting the money to fund a campaign doomed to fail.

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  28. Bishop Buckley you have exposed Maynooth. When are you going to expose Cardinal Nichols Allen Hall. It has always been worse than Maynooth, nobody has revealed it.

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  29. Allen Hall needs to be investigated. Canon Roger Taylor (ex Anglican) was appointed Rector by +Vincent. Taylor appointed another (ex Anglican) William Nichol as Pastoral Director. It has caused major upset within the diocese.

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    1. Major upset? What a load of old tosh. You are obviously a bitter piece of baggage.

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  30. 22.36: Such utter nonsense. Irrelevant and bizarre. God bless the Bishops in upholding the inalienable right to life of the unborn child. I have no difficulty in financially supporting their efforts. You're an idiot.

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    1. The bishops have weakened (perhaps fatally) their argument against abortion, since they have NEVER truly respected the 'sacredness' of every human life. How? By their moral support of capital punishment and so-called 'just war'.

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  31. Also Pat , can you ask the dioceses how many priest’s houses are lying empty getting heated and serviced with our money.
    Refugees should be in theses houses...what is Catholic Ireland doing with all theses houses.?
    Also big monasteries housing about 5 men.why are these building not being used for the homeless Irish people ???????

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    1. There are homeless Irish people because council houses are given to economic migrants. You call them "refugees" but they passed through many safe countries where they could have sought refuge before landing in Ireland. Why don't you take one into your own house?

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  32. 23.40. No church in London sings the national anthem. Only on special occasions. One sentence contradicts the other. No denial of the bidding prayer for the sovereign or the union flag flying. Go away you silly person. You confirm my points exactly. 22.02

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  33. Technology is so great these days. There’s no hiding place. Some of you might think your vile evil posts are anonymous but they’re so easily traceable. Some of you have so much dirty laundry of your own. If it was aired how shocking it would be, when your hypocrisy would be made known to everyone. The old saying is wise - ‘people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!’

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    1. Or 'let he who is without sin be the first to cast a stone'.

      (Hint) This includes you.

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    2. Yes, it does. But most certainly you and your kind!

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  34. I would like to contradict the poster who said the union flag doesn’t fly at any Catholic Church. I live in a parish in east London and the national flag was flying outside our church two weeks ago. Also we pray for the Queen every week. Some people on this blog don’t know what they’re talking about.

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    1. And some English posters think that things are the same in N Ireland as in England just because it is part of the UK .
      They most certainly are not!

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  35. I seem to remember back in the eighties God Save the Queen was sung after the main Mass every Sunday at St James‘ Spanish Place, and at Our Lady of Victories, Kensington „Domine Salvam Fac Reginam Nostram Elisabeth ... „ I doubt that happens any more at OLV under Jim Curry, but all the four priests at Spanish Place are unmarried ex Anglicans, and it is a favourite haunt of the Ordinariate.

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