Saturday 28 July 2018

SEMINARIANS PROTEST SEMINARY SEXUAL ABISE



Honduran Seminarians Allege Widespread Homosexual Misconduct

Edward Pentin. National Catholic Register

But to date, Cardinal Maradiaga has not responded publicly to the allegations regarding his archdiocesan seminary.



TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras — Nearly 50 seminarians in Honduras have protested against what they say is a widespread and entrenched pattern of homosexual practice in Tegucigalpa’s major seminary.

In a letter written to the seminary’s formators that was subsequently circulated in June to the country’s Catholic bishops, the seminarians asserted “irrefutable evidence” exists that a homosexual network pervades the institution and is being protected by its rector.
“Heterosexual seminarians are scandalized and really depressed,” one of the seminarians who drafted the letter told the Register.

“Many are thinking about leaving the seminary,” the seminarian said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of a fear of reprisals. “I fear that many will leave.”

The disturbing Honduran allegations have particular resonance in the United States because they echo some key aspects of the current scandal in the Church in the United States, surrounding alleged sexual abuse by Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, the archbishop emeritus of Washington.

Similar to the charges surrounding Cardinal McCarrick, who reportedly engaged in a long-standing practice of pressuring seminarians into sexual activity with him while he was serving as bishop in two New Jersey dioceses during the 1980s and 1990s, Auxiliary Bishop Jose Juan Pineda Fasquelle of Tegucigalpa has been accused of engaging in homosexual interactions with Tegucigulpa seminarians.

And, just as the revelations regarding Cardinal McCarrick have provoked troubling questions about what his brother U.S. bishops and the Vatican knew about his interactions with seminarians and about why nothing was disclosed publicly for so long, the Honduran allegations call into question the actions of Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga of Tegucigalpa.

While Cardinal Maradiaga — a key confidante of Pope Francis who is coordinator of the “C9” group of cardinals advising him on reforming Church governance and the Roman Curia — is not himself the subject of allegations of sexual misconduct, he is now under fire for appearing to have disregarded a wealth of evidence of homosexual misconduct by Bishop Pineda, whose resignation as auxiliary bishop was accepted by Pope Francis July 20.

The Honduran seminarians’ letter reportedly was not met with praise for having come forward in June; Cardinal Maradiaga instead accused the seminarians of being “gossipers” who wish to portray their fellow seminarians in a bad light, according to sources in Honduras.

The Letter

The Register has obtained the text of the unsigned letter, which was a joint effort undertaken by 48 seminarians (of the 180 who are enrolled there) who stated they could not “hide any more the magnitude of this problem in the seminary.

“We are living and experiencing a time of tension in our house because of gravely immoral situations, above all of an active homosexuality inside the seminary that has been a taboo all this time,” the seminarians wrote, “and by covering up and penalizing this situation, the problem has grown in strength, turning into, as one priest said not so long ago, an ‘epidemic in the seminary.’”

The letter called on seminary formators to follow what the Church teaches about such conduct and requested a new “formative process” that is more up to date and represents a “holistic” and “prophetic” vision. And it asserted that any seminarian who engages in homosexual activity should be removed from the seminary, even if he is a friend of the formators, because such a person clearly is “not suitable for pastoral ministry” and will “cause pain to the Church sooner or later.”

“Not everyone who wants to can be a priest!” the letter stated. “The ministry is a gift that should be lived and received from the conviction of the Gospel and radical and jealous love.”

The seminarians insisted their letter was not carrying out a “persecution” or exemplifying “homophobia,” accusations that some local Church leaders have leveled when seminarians raised similar concerns on earlier occasions. 
“Neither is it gossip or a lack of manliness,” they said.

And, the seminarians noted in the letter’s concluding paragraph, their submission was not the product of merely a single concerned party, but instead was written “by a group of seminarians” who had been urged by spiritual directors and other priests at the seminary to make their concerns known.

“We humbly ask forgiveness if our words offend you or make you uncomfortable, but we are convinced it was necessary to express with freedom, respect and charity this reality,” the seminarians told their formators. “We express our brotherly affection and pray for you who are the head of this house and who also have a difficult mission. We put you in the hands of Our Lady of Suyapa, patroness of this seminary, and St. Joseph, patron of all the seminarians of the world in the universal Church.”

Part of the impetus for the letter to bishops was that a seminarian from the Honduran Diocese of Santa Rosa de Copán tried but failed to take his own life in April, after he had discovered his male lover in the seminary was in another relationship.

The Register has obtained a copy of the seminarian’s suicide note. “I am going to my Father’s house,” the handwritten letter reads. “I never believed that my friend, my brother, the one that I trusted everything and which I gave too many things,” would have “betrayed me that way.”

The Register also obtained graphic photographic evidence of homosexual pornography, exchanged on WhatsApp between seminarians who did not sign the letter, as well as other obscene messages. The exchanges have been verified as authentic by computer specialists at the Catholic University of Honduras who searched computer memory and handed the exchanges to the country’s bishops.

The Bishops’ Response

In early June, during the permanent assembly of the Honduran bishops’ conference, Bishop Hector David Garcia Osorio of Yoro, who is in charge of vocations and seminaries, asked that the matter of homosexuality in the major seminary be discussed. The seminarians’ letter was then circulated among the bishops at the meeting.

According to sources, when the letter was read out at the assembly, Cardinal Maradiaga and Bishop Angel Garachana Pérez of San Pedro Sula, the president of the bishops’ conference of Honduras, immediately started attacking the letter’s authors.

Bishop Guy Charbonneau of Choluteca confirmed to the Register June 29 that the permanent assembly received the letter. He said the bishops’ conference is carrying out an investigation to see if the allegations are true. “We are currently in this process,” said Bishop Charbonneau. “Each bishop has to deal with it by interviewing the seminarians from their own diocese.”

“This is a new problem,” he added. “Perhaps it happened in other years, but not like the dimension that is being talked about now.”
The Honduran bishops met again July 23 to discuss the seminarians’ protests. A source close to the discussions told the Register it is likely no immediate action will be taken to respond to the alleged problems within the seminary. 

The Register contacted the offices of Cardinal Maradiaga, the Honduran bishops’ conference and each of the country’s individual bishops, requesting further comment about the matter. None of the bishops had replied to the Register’s queries at the time this article was published.
“Homosexuality in the seminary is a problem which has proliferated in the past few years,” said the seminarian who spoke with the Register under condition of anonymity.

“Another big problem is that when someone speaks differently than what the bishops or cardinal are saying, they are censured and expelled,” he added.

“The bishops have been meeting and speaking about this,” he said. “When the problem was discovered, people at first said ‘No’ and denied it. The problem is that this problem [of homosexuality] has appeared, and it is denied. The cardinal, sadly, has denied it. But the problem is here.”

Added the seminarian, “If people come and investigate here, they will find worse things than were found in Chile.”

Bishop Pineda’s Resignation

The news of the seminarians’ protest came after months of allegations involving homosexual abuse and financial misconduct by Bishop Pineda.

Since last December, Cardinal Maradiaga has been accused of allowing Bishop Pineda to continue to serve in his post, and even placing him in charge of the archdiocese during the cardinal’s absence to receive medical treatments for prostate cancer in Houston, despite a body of allegations against Bishop Pineda of homosexual relationships — including with seminarians.
Bishop Pineda was also accused of financial impropriety, which came to light in a papal investigation last year. The findings of that investigation reportedly were submitted to Pope Francis in May 2017, but have not been publicly disclosed.

In March, the Register obtained the text of two testimonies from seminarians submitted to the investigation, detailing allegations of serious sexual misconduct by Bishop Pineda.
The Vatican did not disclose the specific reason Bishop Pineda had resigned. In a statement released immediately after his resignation was announced July 20, the bishop also provided no explanation and expressed little contrition. In his statement, he said he had tried “with all my heart to serve … the archbishop, clergy, seminarians and People of God” of the Archdiocese of Tegucigalpa.

“If I succeeded, blessed be God,” Bishop Pineda said. “If I failed you, I apologize.”
While the Vatican did not disclose whether the allegations of sexual misconduct with seminarians were decisive in the Pope’s acceptance of Bishop Pineda’s resignation, both Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis have emphasized that men who engage in homosexual activity or who have “deep-seated” homosexual inclinations should not be admitted to seminaries.

That Vatican document affirmed the Church “cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practice homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called ‘gay culture.’”

Stated the document, “Such persons, in fact, find themselves in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women. One must in no way overlook the negative consequences that can derive from the ordination of persons with deep-seated homosexual tendencies.”

Speaking to Italy’s bishops at an audience in late May, Pope Francis unequivocally reaffirmed that men with “deep-seated tendencies” or who engage in “homosexual acts” are not suitable candidates for seminary admission.

Regarding such men, “If you have even the slightest doubt, it’s better not to let them enter,” Francis said, according to Vatican Insider, because their admission can lead to scandals and compromise the community life of the seminary.

Cardinal Maradiaga

Cardinal Maradiaga had not responded to questions submitted by the Register regarding the allegations of widespread homosexual misconduct at the Tegucigalpa archdiocesan seminary by the time this article was published. But an informed source said he views them as inventions.

“He looks out for the guilty but doesn’t realize that over half the seminarians are homosexuals,” the source said, adding that some formators recently refused to participate in priestly ordinations because of the candidates’ alleged homosexuality. “The cardinal ordained them himself,” the source said.

To date, Pope Francis has declined to accept Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga’s resignation, which the cardinal was obliged to submit last December, upon turning 75, the mandatory retirement age for bishops.

But in light of the Pope’s action taken in Chile over clerical sex abuse, and Vatican involvement in the restrictions placed on Cardinal McCarrick followinga “credible” allegation of sexual abuse of a minor in the early 1970s in the Archdiocese of New York, observers are suggesting Cardinal Maradiaga now could be held more accountable for the problems that have surfaced in his own archdiocese.

A July 20 Associated Press article specifically linked the situation in Tegucigalpa with the question of how Pope Francis might respond to the Cardinal McCarrick revelations.

Noted the article, “Auxiliary Bishop Juan José Pineda Fasquelle, 57, was accused of sexual misconduct with seminarians and lavish spending on his lovers that was so obvious to Honduras’ poverty-wracked faithful that Maradiaga is now under pressure to reveal what he knew of Pineda’s misdeeds and why he tolerated a sexually active gay bishop in his ranks.”

Edward Pentin is the Register’s Rome correspondent.
Register correspondent Sabrina Arena Ferrisicontributed to this report.

179 comments:

  1. Today a certain religous order is burying a deceased member. Nothing unusual in that. However they had to pay out to a former member because of something the deceased did to the former member when he was a student.

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    1. Yes, the w***e will always be a w***e.

      Count on it! 😆

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    2. Is that the same religious order with a member who is HIV+ who is in a prominent administrative role, and who adopts a conservative public persona?

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    3. Yes dominican

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    4. Is this Order just plain incompetent or does it deliberately withhold information on its Curia and members from their website? So much for their motto Veritas!!!

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    5. Sounds like the Norbertines.

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    6. Mad Magna at 01:14

      Polly, stop talking about yourself like that it's not healthy. Love and prayers B. Eviva Maria!

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    7. Somebody appears to have an axe to grind with the Irish OP's

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    8. Yes, most of their current members!

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    9. I see that their whimpering, statue like, coward of a provincial did not show at the funeral.

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    10. Who is this new prior of Kilkenny then??

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    11. The proble. with the Irish Dominicans is because they come across holier than thou with all their young men. It's clear that there's a lot more going on behind the clean habits and cherub-like faces.No one has any problem with most of them being gay. People do get pissed off though when they pull the homophobic stuff and get uppety on the thrill of power. Apparently the new prior in Kilkenny likes to throw his weight around. As for the HIV+ guy in their Curia - again, absolutely no problem with his HIV status or the fact that he is probably gay (unless he's going to pull the old one that he got infected in Africa - bitten by a monkey, I suppose). The problems begin when someone like that can't keep his mouth shut and go easy on the homophobic stuff. What's wrong with him? Self-hatred, guilt, fear of being found out? Is this why he deals in homophobic comments to cover his tracks? I'm sure someone has studied such people. There are lots of young diocesan priests who behave the same way: sauna by night and shouting 'Them Gays, them Gays, by day'. Look no further than Cloyne. Back to the OP admin guy with the tendency to utter homophobic crap, is this perhaps the HIV+ OP who used to live in Rome at San Clemente? Fr Seamus something from Leitrim or Longford. If so, he is sort of strange. Seems frigthened of his own shadow. But this used not stop him spending an awful lot of time having fun in the Sauna Pontificia off the Via Merualana. Scared to death of anyone recognising him at the Roman hospital he went to. Studiously pretended not to recognise other Irish men. I know it must be hard, being a HIV+ priest, but come on, homophobic deterrence is not the way to go.

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    12. He is from Tralee, not Leitrim. The new prior of the Black Abbey will have it closed in no time. He utterly destroyed limerick and is not good with people. He once declared that he was a 'Theological explorer' earning him the nickname 'Dora the explorer'. Actually he is just thick.

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    13. Did Michael Savage show up at the funeral?

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    14. What is the official name of the prior of KK?

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    15. @10:51
      Yes. GHQ Rome.

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  2. What a rancid w***e is institutional Roman Catholicism!

    My heroes are those Spanish anti-fascists in the 1930s who dispatched Roman Catholic priests, nuns and seminarians.

    They knew their oppressors...and dealt accordingly with these SCUM. 😆

    (Just tellin', like. 😆)

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    1. Mad Magna at 00:52

      Polly, what a horrible nasty thing to say, but completely in character. It's a pity you were not a seminarian at that time, as the communists would have murdered you too. Love and prayers B. Eviva Maria!

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    2. Oh, Barking B. ! You betrayed your REAL inclination in that post. You wished me 'murdered' by 'communists'. (They weren't communists, you uneducated fool, but republicans and socialists.)

      Your 'prayers' are meaningless, you self-deceived idiot, because he who murders one of these little ones (a.k.a moi😆), murders Christ.

      Oh, B.! You murdered Jesus...at least in your heart!

      (I don't think Jesus would give time of day to your sputtering petitions now. Whaddya think? Hmm?😆😆)

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    3. @00:52, that’s a rather ridiculous post. It brings to mind the line from Macbeth:
      “it is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.”
      Let’s face it, 99% of the posts here are hyperbole, and this is a prime example. There’s no way you would actually emulate the Spanish civil war soldiers who killed clergy. Trying to place yourself on a par with them is a rather sad act by a keyboard warrior who would never actually do anything outside the safe confines of cyberspace - all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    4. Magna Carta, you’re just as twisted and evil as those you decry.

      Your heart is not the heart of one of Christ’s little ones.

      You’re gloating over the martyrdom and torture of seminarians and priests by evil and violent forces shows your true colours - you who are always banging on about “love your enemies”.

      The murderers and torturers of these victims - murderers and torturers of Christ - are your “heroes”. Says it all really.

      Your hatred and spite has poisoned you utterly. Beyond being rational, you are taken with a pinch of salt, as a curiosity and a standing joke.

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    5. Mad Magna at 13:14

      Oh! Polly you Cretin! for republicans,socialists, communists they were all the same! enemies of The Holy Church you uneducated fool. I would remind you that no prayers are meaningless only to apostates and traitors like you. My own preference would have been That the Glorious Irish Blue Army would have dealt with you and your likes. Oh Polly! You murder Our Lord Jesus every time you insult His Holy Church you will be called to account for it.

      Whaddya think? Hmm?

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    6. 14:04 responding to Madna Carta at 00:52 - SPOT ON AND WELL SAID.

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    7. '...that's a rather ridiculous post.'? Oh, raaather, old boy! Don't ya know? Spiffing! What-what?!😆

      Well, if my post was a tale told by an idiot, it bothered you enough to take the trouble to compose a comment, draft it, re-draft it, check it for spelling errors, read it aloud to yourself to judge how it sounded, and then post it.

      Of the two of us, one is certainly an idiot. But it ain't this guy.😆

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    8. 14:06 If you knew anything about the Spanish Civil War, you'd know that the clergy in Spain, by and large, were oppressors of the poor. They supported Government taxation of them to fund clerical lifestyles, and the Spanish clerical hierarchy was, almost to a man, supportive of Spain's industrialists and capitalists.

      Moreover, when the Civil War broke out the clergy were supportive of Franco's fascist forces.

      Spanish clergy were enemies and oppressors of their own people, the very ones they screwed money out of, even though these wretches could barely afford to feed themselves and their children.

      Almost the same, self-indulgent tale can be told of these parasites, regardless of country or era. In Ireland during the Famine, for example, there is not a single public record of even one clerical parasite dying of starvation. Not one. But over one million of the peasants they screwed for cash died pitifully horrible deaths from hunger.

      I have no time for Roman Catholic clerical parasites.

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    9. Mad Magn at 15:46

      Polly if you knew anything about The Spanish Civil War, you would know that your friends The republicans,socialists and communists murdered thousands of Priest,Nuns and Seminarians. It was the priests who educated and the nuns who nursed and looked after the poor not your friends who wanted to turn Catholic Spain into a soviet satellite. Even a badly educated fool like must know what that would have been like for the poor. Enslaved for the state, spied on imprisoned and murdered if you did not go along with the communists. Your friend Stalin showed us that, thousands murdered and imprisoned. Thanks be to God Spain escaped that and was Consecrated to The Immaculate Heart of Mary. love and prayers B. Eviva Maria!

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    10. Barking B. @ 17:12, I'm torn between amusement and pity over you. It's clear that you're not well educated (judging by your standard of literacy), and that you're much more emotional than cerebral. (And by God! Does it show!) This, oddly enough, arouses pity in me. (You're priviliged, because normally I'd laugh myself sore here.)

      B., sweetheart, those parasites you idolise could have done nothing, absolutely nothing, without money. And as none of these indolent bastardos actually worked for a living, they effectively stole money from the poorest Spanish Catholics, through their support of mandatory Government taxation, to finance both their relatively good lifestyles and other activities, like education.

      I really don't know why I'm bothering to respond to an airhead like you (Jeez! You really are as thick as the proverbial two short planks.😨), but then, the truth is that others will read this; it is them I have in mind.

      The Spanish Civil War was not about establishing a satellite state of the Soviet Union, you absolute moron, but about whether Spain would remain a democracy (as it was under a legitimately elected republican government), or whether it would fall under the evil shadow of facism (as had other countries in Europe at the time, like Germany and Italy).

      The facists, under Franco, won that war. Aided and abetted by Spanish institutional Roman Catholicism, Franco became dictator of Spain until his death in 1975.

      Institutional Roman Catholicism has a history, at best, of suspicion of democratic socialism, at worst, of violent opposition to it.

      I realise that all of this has probably gone right over your stupid head, Barking B.. But then, what else could one reasonably expect of someone with your history of posting absolutely mindless comments.

      Love and prayers.😆

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    11. Mad Magna at 18:42

      Poor Poly, your at it again, doing your Granny Grammar again commenting on everyone's standard of literacy, when you own leaves a lot to be desired. You can't be cerebral because your always too drunk (And my God! Does it show!)

      Oddly enough like yourself it arouses pity in me for someone so far gone with the Drink! ( You are privileged because normally I'd just be disgusted!)

      Polly my Dear, those despots you so idolize would have terrorized the poor of Spain with their ungodly regime.
      You probably drank yet an other bottle of vitriol to come up with all the vitriolic insults we expect from you. I realize that you are a sick, sick person so in charity I must still pray for you pray for you.
      Your hatred of Our Holy Mother The Church we know stems from your bitterness at being rejected as unfit for anything.
      I know that all of this has gone over your drunken stupid head Polly. But what can one expect from a bitter twisted auld lush like you with your history of posting nasty moronic comments. Love and prayers B. Eviva Maria!

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  3. If hairdressers, hoteliers, or diplomats wrote letters complaining about their colleagues being gay, we'd laugh. And we'd presume the signatories were gay themselves.

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    1. 03:56 they are not complaining about them being gay, you idiot.

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  4. Why is King Billy of Monasterboice gone quiet? Has he made his peace with the archbishop?

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    1. Little Billeen is having a lie in as it’s Saturday.

      He’s been extremely overwrought all week and his rants have tired him out. All that seething vituperation really takes it out of one.

      And it’s exhausting trying to come across as all “controlled” when, in fact, your emotions are all over the place and your anger issues are doing a war dance on the front lawn of the parochial house.

      He’ll be back at it later though - don’t worry - with another exciting few sentences and the occasional riveting paragraph, of toxic innuendo and paranoid conspiracy theories, served up with just a hint of boiling and bubbling fury.

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    2. @11.27 apart from calling him 'Little Billeen' you are correct and have hit the nail on the head I think. This ranting does take it out of one and I'm sure he is exhausted. The thing about him is that his rantings are all true, even if invested with a dash of conspiracy theory and paranoia. Once you get into conspiracy theory you need to thread very carefully in order to sift truth and fiction:it's so easy to swing one way or the other, believe it all or dismiss it all. Of course, the Italians are masters at this, Vatican included and the Mafia par excellence. Sometimes, it even serves to put out an over the top conspiracy theory in order to distract attention from the real problem. I always ask in a conspiracy theory case - Cui bono? and if the person or persons behind whatever is being claimed would go to those extremes in order to achieve something, and if they have the competence and power to cover their tracks so that they would never be found out. If all of that is the case and they have a lot to gain - Cui bono - then there might be something in it ok.
      Bill is a man of immense integrity - let no one take that from him. He may be extremely angry but let that not hide the truth that he speaks. He would probably be a lot less angry if there was some real 'fellowship' in the Armagh presbyterate and if his former Maynooth class mates and contemporaries were not sneering from the sidelines.
      Bill does need to rest. He does need to take a step back for his own health's sake. He is also a man in his mid 50s with no where to go. He needs to weigh up what he wants. Either to stay in Armagh enjoying the very light workload (by any standards) and the generous remuneration of the parishioners of Monasterboice, with all the crap that goes with this, or go out on the street in his mid 50s and take a chance. He will soon discover the cold and frosty place that awaits him, unless he has friends who will parachute him into a job in Moate, like Francis Lee was treated to.
      Bill, give Eamon Martin a break. Stop the flag nonsense - it's a red rag to the local bulls. You have the right to fly those flags, but you don't always have to exercise your rights, especially at the expense of parish harmony. There are very few absolute rights anyway as you well know having studied rights, duties, moral theology with Patrick Hannon.
      Bill has much of the OT Prophet about him and he has insights and wisdom. He has great stores of pastoral skill and experience. But he ruins it all with the seething angry outbursts and these cloud his message. Anger is fine and very useful. I'm not a wee millennial who can't handle any strong emotion. But anger needs to be managed and directed. And clearly in Bill's case it is out of control and destroying him in the process.
      Bill, don't stop speaking the truth. But don't be using your Sunday sermon to castigate people in the parish who complain about you behind your back. Talk to them directly in private. These interventions during mass must leave an awful aftertaste for the rest of the parish community.
      Make peace with + Eamon. He has enough other challenges on his plate.
      Go and get some help for the paranoid and explosive sides of your anger, but don't lose all those great OT Prophet qualities.
      Ignore those ex Maynooth ones on here who have always sought your downfall out of envy.

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    3. 14:17 well said.

      Bill was a few years ahead of me in Maynooth. I didn’t have much dealings with him.

      He was an unusual character with his big scarves and long coats. Quite acerbic.

      He hung around with a Donegal lad a lot - a nice chap - lovely singer.

      I do hope Bill is ok and gets the help/support he needs. I certainly recall him having serious anger issues even then.

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    4. Was that Donegal chap Fergal Rooney?

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    5. the Archdiocese has plenty of help available for the clergy.
      Archbishop Eamon Martin is a very caring man although under a lot of pressure.
      Father Bill will be offered help if he asks but he likely will not.
      I hope someone informs the Archbishop or VG and gets him help.
      Father Bill likely thinks he does not have a problem

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    6. How Pat Buckley loves exploiting a vulnerable person like Bill. If you were dealing with a more caring and compassionate man then he would choose not to publish Bills posts. It suits Buckleys agenda to use someone for his own advantage. How morally empty can you be someone said earlier and how true.

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    7. The Archbishop is more than aware of Bills Vulnerabilities. It is clear some are using this to score cheap points and using Bill unfortunately. That is why the diocese are treading carefully with him. Those using Bill and this sad situation are repugnant individuals

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    8. Oh come off it! 'The Archbishop is more than aware of Bill's vulnerabilities'. The diocese is treading carefully - yep, hardly out of human pastoral concern for Bill. More likely because the diocese if terrified that he will spill all the beans from his files. And then there would be a lot of shit all over the place.

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    9. @16.30 and 16.47. Oh the patronising concern for poor Bill. As Pat said leave the diagnosis to the medical profession. There are very few men in Ireland who don't have anger issues. It's just that most express their anger late at night after a lot of drinking.
      I remember Bill's long coats and scarves too, but acerbic, not really.
      The Donegal chap, as you call him @16.47 would have been Fergal Rooney, a name from the past, now ex Raphoe and working as a psychotherapist in Dublin. He's often on RTE Radio 1 shows as a panelist.
      Interesting times back then in the late 1980s and interesting that Rooney's name should appear here now.

      Of course, the great Dean back then was Niall Ahern of Elphin. The poor man had his own troubles a few years ago in Strandhill, not of his making let it be said. Some toerag made false allegations against him.

      The thing about the great Dean Niall Ahern is that he had his fans and those who suffered under his 'care'. If you are looking for Paul Prior's model, look no further than Niall Ahern. Only difference, Niall wasn't stupid enough to go asking about erections and the like. But the faux psychology bit was all there.

      Funny that mention of Fergal Rooney. His real great friend was not Bill but Stephen Joyce of Clogher. Now there hangs a tale. Who in turn had the benefit of the larger than life Fr (now Msgr) Peter O'Reilly (now Enniskillen PP) on tap as a sort of helicopter parent who would swoop in to solve problems and counsel the poor young boys.

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    10. I am of that era and remember a nasty Clogher deacon, Ciaran Woods who was a great favourite of Niall Ahern and he died in a car crash in a car driven by Niall. Paul Prior was another Niall disciple, but as thick as bottled pig shit.

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    11. 23.05
      A disgraceful and disgusting comment about a good man who is dead and cannot defend himself. That’s the lowest note sounded on this blog for many a long day. Shame on you whoever you are!

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  5. This blog has become a hate filled inciting blog against Catholic religion. Just look at the posts allowed yet again from MC. Pat Buckley allows this despicable language to be used by this man on a daily basis and effectively condones it. The same old tired excuses are wheeled out about censorship etc by Buckley. Not even atheists or die hard Protestants would use language likes this against the Catholic Faith.

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    1. @08:30: The best way to deal with the troll, “Magna Carta”, is not to react and just ignore. How many times does that need to be said?

      When trolls are exposed in real life they are invariably sad, creepy and pathetic individuals. Can you not imagine how entirely inadequate, in real life, is the resident troll here?

      A blog like this is a troll’s paradise and it is obvious the host has a very soft spot for this troll “MC”. So, either don’t read the blog or don’t be baited by the troll.

      A troll sets out to be extremely insulting and highly provocative precisely to raise a reaction. So this nasty little creature, “MC”, thrives on your hubris and is gratified by it.

      Yes, you are giving this “MC” a quick thrill by your angry responses. So learn not to react and scroll on.

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    2. There, 11:02! All better now? 😅

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    3. 08:30 Not one of my posts has expressed hatred of 'Catholic religion', but of institutional Roman Catholicism. In other words, 'the clergy'.

      Treat yourself to an evening literacy course.😆

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  6. Good to see no one is reacting.

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  7. 3.06 I used to work in retail and there were many gay men, many of whom were married or in civil partnerships. What we never had was older or more senior men preying on the younger men. There was nothing toxic about their relationships. What seems to be coming out is the amount of bullying in the church. The high level of secrecy, lying and abuse. Non of this would have been acceptable at work. There is a good article in America magazine about"me-too" with nuns. No person should have God like power over another. No person should be denied basic human rights. This isn't about sex. It is about power.

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    1. Brilliantly insightful post, 10:35!

      Yes, it IS about power over others.

      Power can be a powerful aphrodisiac, and Roman Catholic clergy indisputably had power over others.

      We all know what happened next.

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  8. Very shrewd observation at 03:56 and at 10:35. Were anybody to complain about the number of homosexual colleagues in any other profession, they would be laughed out of court and THEY would be considered the ones with a problem. Nor in any other field are gays likely to behave any more inappropriately than their straight colleagues. I am pretty sure that the 48 so-called heterosexual seminarians have their own agenda to cultivate a clerical hot-house removed from reality. This would be a high clericalism which denies that a homosexual could be a priest ergo that no priests are homosexual. The tone is revealed in nonsense about appealing to Our Lady and St Joseph, who apparently take a firm line against gay men, and the hilarious giveaway line about manliness, which is a favourite obsession of the likes of Cardinal Burke, who is manliness personified. In other words they themselves are responsible for creating the unhealthy world of deceit and unreality which they claim to deplore. I would suggest we all revisit Vatican II particularly the four constitutional documents which call each of us to ministry, to care for the totality of life and earth and to men and women for others. Just walk past the rusty gates of the seminary as its day is done: it‘s up to you and me now, and to Mrs Jones and the gay boy in the bar. Hold your head up high, trust in your own integrity and live the Gospel rather than mouthing platitudes from the pulpit.

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    1. 11:19. Bravo!

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    2. A very good and wise post, 11:19.

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    3. On a lighter note the NSPCC has brought out a website for infant children called "Let's talk pants" Anything covered by your pants is private and no-one else is allowed to touch or see anything inside your pants...without your permission. I think they should show this to people in the Vatican as they seem to have missed out on this teaching. They even have a pantasourus song that you can join in with.

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  9. NCR reports McCarrick‘s resignation from College of Cardinals. But who’s going to answer to why he was ever appointed given what was well known and publicized well before he was appointed to Washington? Trace the filth to the source and we‘re back in the Rome of JP II and Ratzinger. The same BXVI who with breathtaking disingenuousness declared that homosexuals cannot be admitted to seminaries. What are we to make of HIS resignation?

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    1. Yes, right back to the Polish fathead and the German Nazi.😆

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    2. MC what thoughts have you given to meeting God when you die and being shown your the true state of your soul? There'll be no one to blame but yourself. People say they love and follow Jesus, yet all they are saying is that they know his teachings but refuse to follow them.
      Just saying.

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    3. Speaking of eschatological soul exposure, I wonder how the Polish fathead fared when he was shown the state of HIS soul: his harbouring of paedophile clergy, like Maciel; his love of personal adulation and the limelight; his mistreatment of women and children; his love of papal pomp and circumstance, etc. . Humility wasn't his strong suit, was it?

      Funnny, isn't it, that the institutional Roman Catholic Church had this man canonised with unseemly haste...before his record as pope could be properly examined.

      As for the German Nazi and HIS record, CRIKEY!😨

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    4. I was talking about you. You'll not be asked about him, just you.
      Just you.
      Sleep well n do an examination of conscience for you... not him, just you.

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    5. Focus on your own soul, Prick!

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  10. Indeed what has happened to the Dominicans? Not just in Ireland, but Blackfriars Oxford seems to be a favourite venue for the Latin Mass Society. Back in the day it was a real powerhouse. I cannot imagine the late Herbert McCabe fitting in there today. As for Timothy Radcliffe .... Some years ago the late Gareth Moore OP wrote a searching study on homosexuality A Question of Truth finding the traditional teaching untenable. So yes, I also ask what happened to truth?

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    1. Gareth Moore died of HIV related illnesses,McCabe a drunk died of injuries sustained after falling down the stairs pissed drunk. As for Radcliffe don't get me started.

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    2. What's to be gained dragging names through the mud? Does it make you sleep better at night? You sound one very bitter and twisted person. You will feel most at home on this blog.

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    3. Please continue, at 15.59. And while you are at it say something about your own position. Demolition of the reputations of others appears to be a central aspect of your spirituality. You were saying.....?

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    4. Veritas! I have not said anything untruthful.

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    5. 17:01 what is your spirituality baised on, delusion, false images lies. Moore did die of Him related illnesses, McCabe was a mean old drunk, hated by the majotiy of his comminity (and believe me I know!). He fell down the front staircase one night drunk, and later died of his injuries. I'm sorry if the truth upsets you and If you would rather a rosey lie; but you know what deal with it.

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  11. Indeed what has happened to the Dominicans? Not just in Ireland, but Blackfriars Oxford seems to be a favourite venue for the Latin Mass Society. Back in the day it was a real powerhouse. I cannot imagine the late Herbert McCabe fitting in there today. As for Timothy Radcliffe .... Some years ago the late Gareth Moore OP wrote a searching study on homosexuality A Question of Truth finding the traditional teaching untenable. So yes, I also ask what happened to truth?

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    1. I confess I didn’t know that at 15:59, but take your word for it. Clearly after all these years I am still more naive than I believed. I use to esteem the English Benedictine houses, yet they have all fallen one by one. Downside, once described as the Athens of English Catholicism, has reached meltdown. Echoing 11:19 rather than praying for priests we need to grow up out of co-dependency and take responsibility ourselves.

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    2. I'm sorry to tell you it is truthful. McCabe was quite a nasty old drunk. Many students left because of his bullying those that survived hate him to this day. His death occoured exactly as I mentioned. It is the truth. I'm sorry of I came across as attacking you, that was not my intention.

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    3. The “Athens of English Catholicism” eh? What a pretentious load of olde English codswallop. Typical Brits.

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    4. The former Dean of Belfast and Grand Chaplain of More House used to frequent Downside. One hopes that did not contribute to the decline of that “Athens of English Catholicism”.

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    5. Yes, I thought I‘d be asking for a kicking with that description of Downside. I used it to illustrate its ignominious crash from the days when David Knowles coined the phrase, himself a Downside monk and Regius Professor of Modern History at Cambridge. Oh dear, have I made matters worse? One would hate to be pretentious, don’t you know? As to 18:08 I don‘t feel attacked at all, just glad to be corrected. Forty years ago on my first visit to Rome, I was propositioned by a priest in St Peter‘s who claimed he was conducting a sex survey, AND I‘m STILL having my illusions shattered! That‘s good! ( I would also like to apologize for being British, but that‘s the mark of Cain I just have to carry even though I no longer live there. ) I chip in to this blog from time to time, simply out of solidarity and to demonstrate that, as with McCarrick, the Church is corrupt the world over and rotten to the core. If I‘m unwelcome, I‘ll just have to go somewhere manly and sane like the London Oratory.

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  12. Blackfriars was on the verge of closure when Fr Heretic McCabe was on the go. Let's not go back to the 1970s.

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  13. The Pope has accepted Theodore McCarrick’s resignation from the College of Cardinals.

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    1. The pity of it is that McCarrick resigned rather than was dismissed.

      Resignation seems so much more gentlemanly and respectful, doesn't it? More face-saving and less condemnatory? As if McCarrick actually chose to go?

      Yes, the clerical parasites know just how to look after one another.

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    2. 16:13, sure you’d never be happy anyhow fearless keyboard warrior :-)

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    3. 17:04, Hello, clerical parasite!😆

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  14. I hope McCarrick gets the same treatment as Kitty O'Brien did.

    No big funeral and not in the Cathedral Vault.

    Should be the same for McCarrick

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    1. Unlike Kitty O'Brien, will he not be charged if his accuser was underage at the time of the abuse? More like Nelly Pell.

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  15. McCarrick red hat gone.

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  16. Hope the wounded healer follows his example.

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  17. well wonders never cease!!! whose the one time seminarian and recipient of a JP2 award now visiting larne and on grinder!!! looking for 'dates' and his interest are philosophy and the GAA. we all know he likes the gaaaa. also stating he likes guys over 30, more like over 50! He hadn't much to say during the referendum. He must have split from his partner, the incredible annoying accountant from Belfast!!!!!!!!!

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    1. He's not the only gay with a history running to Larne to join the small band of Buckleys miscontents.

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    2. if this is who I think it is, he's one of the good guys who had a bad time. that man could write a best seller.

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    3. I messaged him but he never replied and when I asked if he was a seminarian he just blocked me. hes a bit touchy

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    4. is this the lad whose now a phd student? Mentioned on wiser page last month. I'd drink his bath water.

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    5. LEAVE THE GUY ALONE

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    6. He discontinued studies prior to the 2016 'crisis'. He has done much for LGBT rights.

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    7. 20.26 Does the truth hurt so much.

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    8. if memory serves me right, he entered the year of the 'man in the alb'?

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    9. member of Fianna Fail, mother a GP, father a Garda. silver spoon. free education. some have it nice. the rest of us have to work for it

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    10. profile pic was taken in the computer science room in the callan building on the secular side. is that what his phd is in?

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    11. I have had occasion to met this young man in a professional capacity in the past. He was most kind and helpful to me. I didn't realize at the time he may have been a trainee. indeed he is very good looking but would never survive in what is often a religious world of snakes and creepy crawlies.

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    12. We should get him reported just like Sean Page was dealt with.

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    13. I messaged him and he told me he's going to Belfast later for a pride event

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    14. POINT OF ORDER

      1. HES NOT A SEMINARIAN BUT A PRIVATE CITIZEN!

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    15. @21.03
      So yoy don't believe in free speach? You'd rather suppress and oppress. How very catholic of you.

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    16. Canon Matt Heartburn, you perverted old poofter!

      (Just addin', like.😆)

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  18. WILLIAM MULVIHILL

    I have been accused of publishing comments from Bill Mulvihill and using him.

    I did not ask Bill to publish any of his comments.

    Why do people want to censor Bill. Is it to stop him saying what he knows or thinks to be the truth.

    Also, please stop disagnosing Bill.

    Thats a doctors job.

    As Diarmuid Martin Martin said to me recently:

    "The truth will set you free - even if the truth is revolting.

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  19. What is the scandal brewing in Armagh Pat?

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    1. Eamon Martin is sitting on stuff that will make Brady look like a Safeguarding Officer.

      I'll bring to you as and when I can.

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    2. Nice try Pat to deflect away from Bill. No one is censoring Bill or doubting his word. It's about you manipulating him and his state of mind. How low can you sink?

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    3. From enquiries I've made Bill Mulvihill is an articulate, intelligent man, who is justiafibaly angry with Eamon Martin over serious issues around the issue of abuse and the suffering of victims.

      That does not strike me as someone who is not himself.

      The Church and its bishops can push people too far.

      Stop trying to silence Bill and cause people to think negatively of him.

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    4. PS According to my sources Bill Mulvihill is noted for his generosity to many people.

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    5. Bill has never outgrown the toddler stage of tantrums. Whatever other motives he might have - no doubt some of them, perhaps, justified and understandable - very much to the fore, in all this pique and hubris, will be some aspect of Bill not getting his own way, or his “greatness and talents” not being fully “appreciated”. Bill can be very very nasty himself - scathing and quite vindictive. Undoubtedly, he needs help and support - but will he have the humility to admit that he does and accept help?

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    6. And Eamon Martin needs to stop biding things.

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    7. Bishop Pat, what you say about Bill Mulvihill is almost certainly true {@19.37}. There are rumours of cover up of abuse in Co Louth and protection of the abuser.
      But, but, but, Bill's Israeli flag nonsense drew the archbishop's attention first, because he was being hassled at Ara Coeli by constant complaints from Monasterboice. If Bill wanted to raise the abuse question, he went about it a strange way by poisioning the waters with the flag stuff beforehand.

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    8. @20.07 A toddler doesn't tell the Primate of All Ireland to go f**k himself!

      This is no toddler throwing tantrums. I think Bill M has enough sense to know that waiting around an Irish diocese for your talents to be appreciated is like Waiting for Godot.

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  20. Pat, who earns between £110k-£119k as an employee of Down and Connor?

    https://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/11/10/news/catholic-church-down-and-connor-diocese-has-assets-worth-140m-1184025/

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    1. Safeguarding officer? Lawyer? Engineer?

      Maybe Noel has a secret employee

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    2. That's right Pat, guesswork as usual.

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    3. Educated and experienced guess work my friend.

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    4. A Down and Connor PP earns £16,000 a year.

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    5. Noel's butler at Lisbreen Palace is the £110k man.

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  21. ......all I.P. addresses......no such thing as "Anonymous ".......not to those who.......

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    1. Yeah right, Bill. We’re really frightened now. Will the angry little manyeen be coming to get us all? Get over yourself and deal with your issues like we all have to do. You’re in your mid 50s now. Time to finally stop acting like the “terrible 2s”.

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    2. You cross Bill at your peril!

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  22. The morning finger writes and having written moves on.....

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  23. Pope Francis ....his intervention at Monte Casino.......it was noble and needed.

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    1. Was Cocaine Sue ever at Monte Casino. She claims she was.

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    2. 21.46: Pat, why are you allowing Mr. Mulvihill behave in so threatening a way? He is a deeply unwell man and should be urged to seek professional help. You should desist from enabling him go further "down" a road of making an utter fool of himself. Many people are concerned for his well being!

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    3. Montecassino. What a mess! The Fifth Destruction according to the older monks. Was Cocaine Sue there? By God was she there, right up the abbots nose.
      Poor Papa Bergoglio had no choice but to depose him and strip the place of its territorial status. But Papa Bergoglio did it with such style and delicacy, so no one lost face, while being brutal at the same time.

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    4. Were there people in Montecasino who were deeply "disordered"?

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    5. Deeply unwell man my ass. He's in cracking form tonight, if only you could keep up with him.

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    6. Not at all. Only the abbot, Pietro Vitorelli. He was the deeply disordered one.

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    7. Of course Vitorelli should never have been confirmed as abbot of Montecassino. That was Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re's fault. He confirmed the election on behalf of the Holy See. Vitorelli went on to enjoy the abbatial office that had been given to him and dragged the monastery down into the shit with him. Those gay orgies in Rome, cocaine fuelled, with the Corazzieri from the Quirinale were just the last straw for the Vatican.

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    8. I'm sure Fr Michael Collins of St Mary's Haddington Road, Dublin 4 could tell us all a thing or two about Abbot Vitorelli, his close friend.

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    9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09GfW0VGazg

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  24. " We will not go to Canossa.." Go to Blackrock, Co. Louth.

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    1. Armagh's Canosa will not have snow everywhere - but sh**

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    2. Liberty Insurance28 July 2018 at 22:07

      What's in Blackrock, Co. Louth? A lot of traumatised older men who were young boys once?

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    3. Time to Stir it28 July 2018 at 23:04

      Do Liberty Insurance now have an office in Blackrock, Co. Louth or did they have one there years ago? Perhaps, beside or part of the church?

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  25. Yes, dear Bill, but "who" is the crucial piece of your puzzle. It all depends on WHO has access to the IP addresses. Now, I suppose an agency of the State would have such easy access and with the help of a willing State official that information might end up on a desk in Ara Coeli or any other episcopal residence. Trouble is they couldn't use it officially because of the illegality of the capture and transfer of the data. They can just fume instead knowing who is saying what about them.

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  26. Israel , The Jewish people, always blessed by God and knew how to care for their own...a long lineage...and Simon Sebag Montefiore finishes his book with these words: " The divine esplanade where Heaven and Earth meet, where God meets man, is still a realm beyond human cartography." That of course is his view.....The Church has somewhat lost its way although it is the Great Repository of The Gospels.

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    1. My God! You don't half ramble.

      You're all over the place on this blog.

      You're mental closet needs a clear-out.😆

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  27. Well, well, we are erudite this evening, aren't we?
    Question is who is Henry IV and who is Matilda and who it Gregory VII in this Armacan Canossa?

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    1. Is Matilda the one wearing the pallium?

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    2. I think the name you have for the pallium bearer is good enough, without adding Matilda to his lot.

      But it can't be Matilda. She facilitated Gregory VII's meeting with Henry IV. So, Gregory wears the pallium, unless Matilda is the power behind the throne over in Pennyburn? Clearly Bill is Henry IV in this little drama.

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    3. 22:11 Although Hildebrand won that particular battle, he lost the war. And Henry vice versa.

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  28. IS it not Cocaine Bill and Morphine Sue? Maybe better not in this context.

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  29. What's all this coded language? The uninitiated are confused.

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    1. What are you confused about Dear? The Matilda Canossa stuff or Montecassino. Maybe we can enlighten you.

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  30. What's Abp Amy hiding, Bp Pat? Botox poisoning, perhaps.

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    1. No, a much more deadly poison. It rhymes with sin.

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    2. I'm not sure about rhyming sin with caught crossing dressing.

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    3. Foreskin rhymes though.

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  31. I fly flags for my visiting friends , their countries and sometimes their counties. I have done it since I learned its value as an emigrant in Australia. I shall continue, I am blessed in my friends. Your cheap shots and your health references say a lot about yourself, yourselves. I don't have to guess who your are..... A bientot..

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    1. Were I ever to visit you would you display my Coat of Arms:-)

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    2. Now, now, you might get a lunch invitation one of these days!

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    3. From Rev Fr William Mulvihill, PP Monasterboice.

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  32. Of Course, My Lord Bishop!

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  33. Once upon a time in Formia... there was a priesteen from Kerry... Donal Herlihy was his name... but the seminarians didn't like to go to confession to priesteen Donal...they went to the local Italian PP instead... Please continue the story from the 1950s onwards...

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  34. Check out any YouTube video of McCarrick's successor, Cardinal Donald Wuerl. It's so obvious that Donald is of the antique disposition. Is he one of the many lavander mafia nominated for Sees by McCarrick?

    This stuff goes right to the top.

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    1. Time to Stir it28 July 2018 at 23:07

      WUerl had a bad reputation when he was imposed on Seattle. Remember that, back in the Hunthausen days. But even Seattle natives will tell you that Wuerl turned out very well in the end and they were happy that he got DC. He may well be of the antique disposition, but that doesn't tarnish him outright, does it? They are all of the antique disposition for God's sake. So, how can you avoid appointing someone of that disposition? There's a lot worse than Wuerl in the US church.

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    2. Lavender is her colour right enough.

      http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/wuerl.jpg

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    3. Wuerl is an interesting case, and probably the best that can be said of any contemporary bishop is that there are a lot worse. Ratzinger‘s hounding of the late great Abp Hunthausen and forcing on him of Wuerl as auxiliary to Seattle was just one of many deplorable actions to be held against that sinister man. Later in Pittsburgh Wuerl permitted Dignity to operate so he had some integrity. However he was the protege of Cardinal John Wright who opened every door for him. Google Wright if interested but it is not pretty reading.

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    4. 22:55 A slur on D. Wuerl presumably with the intention of embroiling Francis. A sickening attempt on your part.

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    5. At least three if not four of Francis's C9 are implicated in covering up abuse. Even the arch-liberal Catherine Pepinster expressed her disappointment with Francis's inaction in a Guardian op-ed a few days ago.

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    6. 00:34 And presumably, according to your logic, Francis, and only/primarily he is guilty by association.

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  35. Time to Stir it28 July 2018 at 23:02

    Anyone know why Cardinal Ugo Poletti, the archpriest of St Mary Major's in the 1990s was called 'Fufi'? Or Don Francesco Camaldo, one of the papal MCs, was called 'Jessica'?

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  36. What happened to Don Francesco Camaldo. Wasn't he linked to something and the vatican swiftly moved him on?

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    1. Time to Stir it28 July 2018 at 23:36

      Yes, he was moved out of the way. It was fascinating to watch the first two months of Papa Bergoglio's ritual activity in Rome. At the election Camaldo was there in all his glory right behind the new pope. As the weeks went by, Camaldo still appeared in the scenes in video footage, but farther and farther away from the pope. That's until he was no more. He joined the vanished!

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    2. Time to Stir it29 July 2018 at 00:11

      Now what he was linked to, that's a bigger story. He had his hands in lots of pies and on lots of boys (adult males, I should stress). I'm fairly sure he comes up in the Michele Giordano scandal(the archbishop of Naples who was laundering crime money through the Neapolitan Curia). Camaldo was connected all over the place in the old Christian Democrat world of his native region (Basilicata and Potenza). If it's unsavoury you're having, then Camaldo's your man. His indiscretion with men is legendary. Ask any gay man in Rome about Jessica and you'll get a response.

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    3. 23:36 Easy to identify you. Why the noms de plume all of a sudden?

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  37. You told me!!!!

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  38. Wat in da name o' fook is de wiser page?

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  39. I remember Bill in Rome. I wouldn’t have been in his social circle. He spoke a lot through gritted teeth and often seemed livid. If he’s exposing abuse fair dues to him.

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    1. I remember Bill in Maynooth, he was perpetually angry and really scary though I made him laugh once. Was he on the Aula Maxima committee?

      Talking of which, the Aula is looking amazing following its costly refurbishment this summer. We are also upgrading Dunboyne, which I'm glad to say will be a disappointment to the many on this blog who are hoping for the closure of SPCM.

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  40. Time to Stir it28 July 2018 at 23:45

    Time to sleep boys! Tomorrow is another day and it's Sunday.

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    1. “To die, to sleep – to sleep, perchance to dream – ay, there's the rub, for in this sleep of death what dreams may come…”

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  41. Mgr Leland Boyer of LA archdiocese deceased in 2003 - any of the Maynooth lads of Bill’s vintage remember him?

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  42. I remember well being " picked" with a friend to be dispatched to him for our Diaconate summer. Clancy interfered, and has his own two "Picks" sent... I also remember well the same dynamic for Eamonn Martin when Ledwith invited him to go with him for the weekend. Eamonn Martin said no and did not go....those prelates were/are shameless . There is a Raphoe priest in New York who has an unbelievable story of their advances...

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  43. My coffee acumen in knowledge and in brewing guarantees that I won't be on the streets !!!!!!! Coffee was great this morning....I am an Aussie and in Australia got away from the sloth of the morning practiced in Ireland. Lovely part of the day....

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  44. Not going to Boyer was a great blessing and fortuitous....

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