Monday 15 October 2018

GIVE BISHOPS AND PRIESTS POWER TO THE LAITY

ONE OF THE VERY BIG LESSONS WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THE HANDLING OF THE ABUSE CRISIS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THAT BISHOPS MAKE HOPELESS DAY TO DAY MANAGERS.





Currently, in Catholic dioceses, bishops have absolute power - and we know that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The bishop and the priest are called to be spiritual leaders and spiritual leaders are not always good "temporal" leaders - and there is no reason for them to be.

The RC bishops claim that they are the successors of the Apostles a claim I don't buy into.

But if they want to be successors to the Apostles, then let them behave like the Apostles.

In the New Testament we read:


Acts 6:1-7 New International Version (NIV)

The Choosing of the Seven


In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Hellenistic Jews[a] among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food. So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, “It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables. Brothers and sisters, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word.”
This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit; also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism. They presented these men to the apostles, who prayed and laid their hands on them.
So the word of God spread. The number of disciples in Jerusalem increased rapidly, and a large number of priests became obedient to the faith.

This is a very example and model of how the Church should work. The bishops and priests should concentrate on their role as spiritual leaders and teachers and the day to day management of the church's affairs should be handed over to able men and women.
Take the diocese I live in - Down and Connor - as an example.
The bishop here - Noel Treanor - has become a CEO attached to his desk.
The only time he leaves his desk is to go to meetings - preferably in Europe with other bishop CEO's.
He has the personality that would make him a perfect fit for a job as a bookkeeping clerk who never has to interact with other human beings. His people skills are at zero and he comes across as having the compassion of a stone knife sharpener.
I suspect that Noel Treanor does not believe in God - or if he does he relationship with Him is like the relationship between Queen Elizabeth and the street sweeper outside Buckingham Palace - they never get near each other.
I have never heard him speak or preach with passion and conviction.
I have never seen him with his sleeves rolled up kicking a football around a schoolyard with primary school children.
It is quite clear to the clergy that Noel Treanor has no interest in going around his parishes every year celebrating the Sacrament of Confirmation. Rumour is that from now on parish priests will confirm - even though Cardinal Sarah in Rome has said quite definitively that it is the diocesan bishop's duty to confirm personally.

So people like Treanor and many others have abandoned the practices of the Apostles and the early church and have abandoned prayer and the ministry of the word in order to look after church property, church finances, architecture, personnel management, schools etc.
The Apostles deliberately chose NOT to do these things so that they could concentrate on prayer and the ministry of the word.
If Catholic bishops think they are the new Apostles why are they not behaving like the Apostles?
The Irish Church started as a monastic church and the community lived around the monasteries and was under the authority of an abbot. 
One of the monks in the community - not necessarily the abbot, would have been consecrated a bishop without power or authority - in order to celebrate the sacrament of Holy Orders - ordination. Most of the monks were not ordained. They were simply monks.
The tendency to appropriate temporal power to bishops was a tendency that came from the secular world and that tendency grew during the middle ages when the episcopate became a monarchial episcopate and many of the bishops were from noble families and were the local landlords and civil authorities as well as bishops. In fact, the bishop bit was just an added on bit of power and status.

Over the years I heard many things on retreats that made great common as well as spiritual sense.

One of those gems of wisdom was about a priest or bishop who was so busy RUNNING dioceses and parishes that they forgot what they supposed to do:

"HE WORKED SO HARD FOR GOD THAT HE FORGOT THE GOD FOR WHOM HE WORKED"
Another:

"HE WENT OUT TO DO GOOD - AND HE DID WELL"

The Abuse Crisis is probably the biggest crisis that the church has faced for many centuries.

But there is another bigger crisis that is contributing to the Abuse Crisis - the crisis that bishops and priests are very often no longer men of faith, prayer the ministry of the word.




A holy bishop or priest will never abuse a child.
A holy bishop or priest will never cover up abuse.

And I do not mean PIOUS bishops and priests.

I mean HOLY bishops and priests.

Because true holiness is always marked by conviction, integrity and radical courage.




"There was a time in Ireland
When chalices were made of wood and priests/bishops of gold.
Nowadays,
The chalices are made of gold and the priests/bishops of wood"



When did you last surprise your bishop praying alone in his cathedral before the Blessed Sacrament when you went in to light a candle?

When did you last see your priest praying his Divine Office around the grounds of your church?









78 comments:

  1. To answer Pat’s second-last question: Ironic but true - the only time I have visited a Cathedral outside liturgy time and found a bishop inside saying his prayers was on a visit to St Matthew’s Cathedral in Washington DC a few years ago. He was already retired, but McCarrick was in there, praying before the tabernacle. Low-key prayerfulness in itself does not guarantee real holiness....

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  2. Roman Catholic clergy are not good temporal leaders; true. Thit requires brains, and common sense.

    Nor do they make good spiritual leaders: this is why they have misguided people for centuries into thinking it morally ok to execute criminals.

    But hey! Whoever said that these parasites were to lead anyone? Jesus certainly didn't do so. In fact, he expressly commanded that his disciples be servants, not masters or leaders.

    But since when have clerical caca listened to Christ?

    Precisely. So people should not be listening to them. 😆

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    1. There’s the Magna Caca cabal at it again. Lol.

      The usual old bilge from this little syndicate of disaffected and disgruntled clerics and former clerics.

      All of them with the following qualities in common: BITTERNESS, DYSFUNCTION, VENALITY & SPITE.

      Keep spewing your poison and smearing your Caca, guys. It’s only effect is on yourselves ;-)

      Davinia NicAnluain

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    2. Another Barking Bellarmine, at 14:25.

      You didn't address my points at 00:11, so I presume that you can't refute them.

      Which would explain all that invective. 😅

      You need to be more cerebral and less visceral to be taken seriously.

      Ask that barking halfwit, Bellarmine the Blog Clown. We all laugh at her.

      You, too...unless you pull up those intellectual socks.

      Can you?

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    3. Magna Caca at 15:04. Address your “points”? I wouldn’t bother me fanny, lads LOL. Smoke and mirrors dahlings. Keep on trolling guyrls

      Davinia NicAnluian ;-)

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    4. Mad Magna Caca at 15:04

      Polly Thanks again for that lovely comment you're too kind. I'm so glad I've given you a laugh you've certainly given me plenty with that enormous ego of yours. Thinking your so intelligent and your aka Granny Grammar and all your rants in praise of yourself. I realize it's all part of your delusional
      condition so can only feel sorry for you. Evviva Maria!

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    5. Thought so, 16:14.

      Loser! 😅

      Game, set and match to...moi!!😆

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    6. Magna Caca cabal at 20:01 - up yer h••• with a big jam roll LOL

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    7. Davinia, would you be any connection of David O’Hanlon?

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    8. Mad Magna Caca at 20:01

      Polly your massive ego is getting worse by the minute now you think you're Martina Navatralova.
      Evviva Maria!

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  3. I have stayed with priests and been on holiday with priests and have never seen any of them saying the Office, the one duty that is actually required of them.

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    1. I have regularly seen our PP praying the Office. When we go to his Presbytery for meetings etc., his Office Book is always there beside him.

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    2. @09.50 I very much doubt you have stayed with and been on holiday with priests. What you say about them and judge them in this way hardly describes someone who is a loyal and true friend. Who would want to be a friend of yours if that's what you say behind their backs.

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    3. 11.32 possibility that 00.26 is this same guy who was suppose to be on holiday with two priests and they would not have a threesome with it seems the two priests had sex together and left him out.

      You could not make it up.

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    4. I have never seen Pat or you pray...I guess therefore that you don't.

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    5. I have downloaded the Universalis app and it allows me to pray the Office on my mobile :-)

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  4. Pat, you speak about yourself very articulately - and are you a holy bishop? Are you the holiest of them all? Are you the only one of faith and prayer? Such delusional, arrogant self righteousness if you think you have claim on holiness! Just reflect on the ugliness of your comments about others. Did Jesus not say - "Judge not....do not condemn". You seriously need to reread the gospels.

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    1. I am not presenting myself as holy or the holiest.

      What I said in today's Blog applies to me too.

      However, I do believe and I do pray.

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    2. 09.11: And I too believe and I pray, as do many of my colleagues and Bishops. We may struggle with this sometimes nut we are committed to prayer and deepening our faith. It's insulting and abusive, like Magna's point, or your put downs Pat, to portray priests as you do.

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    3. 09.11: Pat, remember the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican. The Pharisee - YOU - believe you're better than the rest of the pleb priests whom you deem prayerless, faithless, sinners, undesirables. Whom did Jesus commend - the Publican - for his humility: "Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner.". I prefer this bracket myself as it ensures I know my need of God's grace. Always, and therefore no better or above anyone else.

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  5. I wonder how many anonymous clerical readers and even clerical contributors to this blog even read their Divine Office daily at all.

    Regardless if it's in the Parochial House or on Church grounds generally.

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    1. 00.33: I wonder how contributors like you come up with such inane questions! Late night loneliness or drinking!!

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    2. Now Fr. take it easy, you're very touchy on such posed questions.

      Sit yourself down before you give yourself a convulsion of anger because the truth really does hurt and hit hard.

      The use of even exclamation marks, real classy response there Fr.

      Take your oil for most of you are fairly good at giving it whilst trying to be smart when been smart doesn't mostly suit you.

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    3. 11.21: You are even more inane and stupid in your second comment. You phillistine. Get a life.

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    4. @11.21 Sounds like a typical spoiled Seminarian/Priest response. It's written all over your post isn't it. It is you know. Just saying like.

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    5. I know a Priest who says his
      morning office whilst sat on the toilet. I suppose he does at least say it. I never borrow it of course.

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    6. @11:39 Correct. They're always good for a laugh and windup especially when guilty.

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  6. Pat your suspicion about Treanor not believing in God may be a bit harsh. It is true though that he has zero personality and displays a total lack of compassion. He does lock himself in his ivory tower and does not pastor his flock. He doesn't want to be in Down and Connor and was bitterly disappointed that he didn't get Armagh, partly due to the fact that he made unsubstantiated claims against a member of safeguarding. Whilst your suggestion that the laity should control the diocese is a good one, Treanor et al will never give up their power. The mentality that the Down and Connor management team possess is one of "we are God's holy anointed". They don't appear to be interested in the gospels, at least not living then. Sure they will preach but their actions speak louder than their words. Down and Connor has never been blessed with holy bishops. In contrast, the last 4 serving bishops have been autocratic dictators. Attendances at mass have dropped dramatically under Treanors tenure. If he was working as a CEO in the real world he would have received his P45 long before now. If he does get Dublin who is there among the clergy who would replace him? Another one of his cabal who will be keen to move into the mansion on the Somerton Road?

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    1. Wavering Catholic @ 07.08 If that's your strength of feeling then why waver any longer? Just go if you are that disillusioned. I suspect that you are just bluffing by that title 'wavering' because if you have wavered this long then you would have left a long time ago. It just highlights what a shallow and disingenuous person you really are.

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  7. Perhaps the way forward is to return to the model of the new testament church. Some churches are run by big business but it's not necessarily the best model.

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  8. Brendan and Stephen will one day become bishops

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    1. 09:45 a fair and balanced comment

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    2. Well the Church would not expect any nice words on this blog towards it as the vile hatred daily gets worse today it is Bishop Treanor and Down and Connors turn.

      So Down and Connor is good to Bishop Pat they supply a roof over bishop Pat and his partners head and will continue to do so as the courts say.

      Bishop Treanor this CEO is all over his diocese doing Confirmations this year so maybe you are speaking about next year but that will not happen I have emailed him to point out again Cardinal Sarah's instructions.

      If you watch Church TV then you will see Bishop Treanor in his Cathedral and in parishes laughing and joking and he was excellent at Confirmations and more so the ones for people for speacil needs.

      Then on Sunday past he ordained NINE Deacons for his diocese including a QC, Head Teacher and so on so although you think he is in an ivory tower he works very hard compared to some Bishops.

      Here is the press release from Down and Connor.

      https://www.churchservices.tv/catholicireland-news/148145

      Stop attacking and say some prayers or better still go to the real Holy Mass.

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    3. I wouldn't be a great fan of Bishop Treanor for starters. However, i'm sure he doesn't spend all day every day behind a screen pouring scorn and ridicule on people. The wild hysterical claim that Mass attendance has declined since he became Bishop is most dubious. Without any credible evidence I find most claims levelled at him on this blog as not only dubious but unfair. I would say that regardless of who that person is including Noel Treanor. The vicious slur that questions his belief in God is just nasty - who are we to question that in anyone? Pat, is it just me in thinking that you have become much more bitter and nasty in your outlook? They are not very nice or endearing qualities and are people turning away from the blog because of the ugly side that they are observing? It's just a thought. I'm afraid if it was a decision between choosing Treanor or you Pat as who is more credible then Noel would win hands down - even though I am not a fan of his or his style of leadership. That's my honest point of view.

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    4. A point of view you are very welcome to express.

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    5. PS ONE QUESTION

      Where do people have a similar opportunity to challenge Noel Treanor as they have on this blog to challenge me?

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    6. Pat will always have his fan club Magna, Bellarmine, MMM, Rocking Reverend, Servingblogger, Wavering Catholic.

      All on at all hours and same stuff all the time.

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    7. 12.25: Pat, no need to be dismissive of 12.05. There is the possibility that you are WRONG and very UNKIND in your assessments. You seem to delight in downing every bishop and cleric. That attitude becomes tiresome and tedious.

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    8. @12.25 You make very valid and fair points. Don't be surprised if they get torn to shreds later by Pat's usual suspect friends when they awake after a night spent on the sauce. It's the usual pattern on this blog. I was recommended the blog by friends who themselves sadly no longer participate in it. They claim that they don't like the nasty direction in which the blog continues to take.

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    9. 13.57 i meant the poster at 12.05

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    10. Barking Bellarmine? A friend of Bishop Pat?😅 Have you read any of the fool's posts in which she addresses Pat, or his blog?

      You're new (or relatively so) here, aren't you?

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    11. Mad Magna Caca at 14:42

      Polly are you on the vitriol already, your early today. Thank you again for your lovely comment. As for the way I address Patsy, It is only because Patsy has done the same to the whole Hierarchy so can't complain when it is returned. Evviva Maria!

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    12. Anonymous at 12:55

      Ha! Ha Ha! how dare you include me with that shower of Apostates and heretics. I am not posting at all hours like that lot. I suggest a visit to the optician for reading glasses. Ha! Ha! Ha! Evviva Maria!

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    13. Hah! Hah! Hah! 😅

      Another loser, at 17:13. 😆

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    14. MournemanMichael.
      Anon@ 12:55: I'm not a member of any fan club, Pat's or any other individual. I comment in line with my beliefs, knowledge and understanding. Sometimes I am in agreement with others: sometimes I differ. I'm pleased some other contributions share and endorse mine, mostly,I note, based on information and evidence. I also note the considerable number of comments which consist mainly of poorly informed or argued rants often full of personalised aggro.

      Now isn't it great to have such diverse views from which the sufficiently able can learn, while ignoring the patently obvious limitations of others.
      MMM

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  9. Bp Pat, there hasn’t been much local scandal reported for a while. It’s a bit much.

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  10. This debate is not about personalities. It is not about Treanor and the two Martins, or other bishops. It is about what is the best structure and organisation of the Church that will see the Church flourish. It is without doubt that the current way the Church is modelled is inadequate, and even destructive, given that power and authority have been misused by so many clerics, bishops and priests, for their own ends and enjoyment. Given that we are in such a crisis, it is not unreasonable for us to ask if the present arrangements are adequate for the flourishing of the Church in future.

    So, let us not concentrate on the particular personalities of the current crop of bishops and priests, or necessarily on their inadequacies and predilections, but think more of how we can come up with a way of organising and leading our Church which will overcome the difficulties it presently faces and help it to flourish in the future.

    Some key words: SERVANT, ACCOUNTABLE, TRANSPARENT, HUMBLE, HOLY, ANSWERABLE, INSPIRATIONAL, POWERLESS, POOR, SIMPLE....and so, so many more attributes. Please, add to them !

    What we have currently it seems is often the opposite: ARROGANT, UNACCOUNTABLE, RICH, POWERFUL,PRIVILEGED, SECRETIVE, PROTECTIVE, CHUMMY, WORLDLY, MATERIALISTIC.....and so many more. Please feel free to add to them !

    I want the best for my Church. I do not want to see it destroyed by venal, selfish, inadequate leadership. Somebody, please, come up with a way of living Church that will save it !

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    1. 11.27: Servingblogger - Many of us agree with your observations and those of us on the ground know only too well for many years, if not for decades, the challenges and crisis we face. No one seems to have any visionary or creative new way forward. It's easy to find the adjectives to describe our almost irredeemable situation. However, each priest, each person concerned about the Church, the Community of the Body of Christ as distinct from the institutional Church, must try to engage in making their parish community a Christ-filled and Christ-centred place. We cannot wait for others to do it. Yes, we expect leadership from our Church but we are bereft of inspiring, encouraging and enlightening leaders. All I can do - and it's my focus - is to carry out my work as effectively as I can so that all whom I work with and for know my care for them. Sometimes we can waste our energy and time diagnosing and complaining often with little benefit.

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    2. An excellent and balanced point 11.27. I agree with every point you make- Church government needs reformed. However it is difficult to see what type of system of Church government would fit to include a naturally hierarchical priesthood. Granted vatican ii states that Bishop, Presbyter and Deacon are all different roles, but the reality is, there is a natural progression from one to the other. Personally I would prefer a bottom up approach to Church government something similar to the Presbyterian system. However it is flawed also in that it takes too much account of local Congregations opinions and the Church can be engulfed in petty squabbles. Local elders tend to control the Minister, and ministers are easily swayed by their Congregations. And then there is Rome- how does the role of the Bishop of Rome fit in to any reformed structure. After 2000 years of an evolving hierarchical structure it would be difficult to disentangle.

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  11. 10:49
    Whoever you are, chum, you have a serious problem if you have such an intense interest in scandal! Try to get back to faith, love of God - you will have considerably fewer problems!
    Pip - been a long time

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    1. Mind your own business, and let Bp Pat get on with his invaluable work.

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  12. This blog today contains truths which are revolting however these truths may be able to set us free to roam around Gaynooth or perhaps even roam all the way down on top for altars in Cork wearing nice blue jeans.

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  13. Bishop Treanor is a good and decent man if a bit hapless. I think he is ill-advised by the prominent clerics around him - him not knowing the diocese of Down & Connor being an “outsider”. There is a cabal of clerics around the bishop who are not good men but they seem to have him well and truly fooled, duped. But watch that space.

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    1. A good and decent man? Treanor? Is this why he, alledgedly, spent up to four million pounds sterling rennovating/refurbishing his large home, in extensive grounds, in a time of economic recession?

      As a trustree of Trocaire, I wonder how this 'good and decent man' would explain (haplessly or otherwise) such obscene expenditure to the poor in Africa (people whose poverty he, alledgedly, wants to relieve)?

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    2. 14.52: On your hobby horse again Mags dear having emerged from your cave. Wonder how much do you care for the poor?

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    3. Strawman argument (logical fallacy), 16:10. 😆

      I'll tell you what I don't do for the poor: I don't deprive them of at least four million quid (of other people's cash) in order to spend it on bricks and mortar. Oh! And on episcopal vanity.

      I wonder what Jesus would say to Treanor. Might it be this: 'Noel, my not so good and not so faithful 'servant', the human body and soul is the Temple of my Holy Spirit. It is THESE buildings on which that money should have been spent, not on temples to episcopal vanity and pride.'

      It's not a hobby horse, you loser, but a just question about one man's (yes, ONE man's) avarice, and massive self-indulgence. These are CARDINAL sins, loser. Strange that this doesn't bother you in the least.

      You're another clerical pimp, aren't you? For the Roman Whore? One of Treanor's staff, perhaps.

      In any event, you're a loser for defending this disgusting moral turd. 😆

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    4. Magna Caca group at 20:14 - the most revolting “turds” here are you shower of bolloxes and many people are absolutely sick, sore and tired listening to your constant obnoxious diatribes.

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    5. So you agree, 23:40, with Noel Treanor's spending such a colosssl sum of parishoner's money on ... his pet project, really?

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  14. Servingblogger You seem to go along with Pat mostly in his views and you agree with them. Perhaps you need to give Pat some advice about not making it about personslties as you point out. It's Pat who makes it very much about personalities.

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    1. People like McCarrick are bad personalities.

      Such personalities can be justly condemned.

      If I criticise anyone on this blog it it because of their bad personalities and things associated with it.

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    2. 15.01: Pat, who appointed you as judge of everyone? Certainly not the Christ you supposedly follow. Remember the words of Jesus: "Judge mot and you will not be judged: do not condemn and you will not be condemned yourselves: be compassionate as your heavenly Father is compassionate". Tell me your interpretation of these comments. As Jesus might say - you are a "whited sepulchure"....Look firstly to your own heart.

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    3. Yes, I do go along with a lot of what + Pat says, including some of his justified comments about personalities, like McCarrick and the Martins of Dublin and Armagh, and Treanor of D&C. These people are certainly part of a structure in the Church that is all those negative attributes that I described earlier, most certainly the power, authority, concern with the reputation of the institution, and being part of a pretty decrepit clerical structure. There is evidently something rotten about the clerical institution in the Church in Ireland, and this needs to be addressed and something created to replace it. It is a nonsense the deference and authority we give to bishops and priests, everything from the titles we give them, to the material world we allow them to create for themselves, to the unassailability that they have been able to create around themselves. The time has come for all of this to be deconstructed. They will not do it themselves because they have such a vested interest in these things and because their imaginations just cannot stretch beyond that clerical vision and world in to which they have been trained and ordained. So, it takes people like + Pat, imperfect as he is, to point out the faults, even of the personalities, and most certainly of the institution, and to hold them to account. For that he is vilified and isolated. I admire him for hanging in there and carrying on being the thorn that might make them think a bit, and which facilitates this kind of debate, out of which something might come that will be a better Church. I'd even say he is prophetic.

      As to the institutional Church leaders, it really is time that you began to show some leadership, and broke away from the harnesses that tie you in to the institutional Church. Be brave. It would be good to hear some of you speak like Cardinal Cupich and recognise that, firstly, there is a problem, and secondly give us some vision as to how we can find out way out of it, rather than just mouthing twee stuff about being faithful to the Holy Father and to Holy Mother the Church, or using transference techniques to blame the Devil for what your and your priests have done. Please don't expect me to be faithful to such a corrupt and decrepit institution; and many more think like me, and are unafraid of the threats that you people have held over us in the past. We are not longer scared by you or your threats any more, because we have seen how cynical, duplicitous, and sinful you are now that your cover has been blown. How foolish we were to trust you in the past. We deserved, and deserve, better. So, come up with something or move out of the way.

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    4. Servingblogger @16.10 In short could you be consistent in your views because you change like the weather. You keep changing the goal posts and your arguments are all over the shop. Be consistent and whilst I'm at it be concise also. We don't expect an essay each time. Maybe it explains your time in the Seminary.

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    5. Cardinal Cupich. Isn’t he the one Barking Bill savaged at his hotel?

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    6. 16.10: Servingblogger, you repeat over and over again what many of us think, including many priests. I have made similar observations for years at various Diocesan gatherings and elsewhere. I had hoped for greater imagination and creative ways of being different - as I believe Christ would expect of us. I implement my own vision, imperfect as it is, being as imaginative and inclusive as I can be. I could repeatedly make the same comments and criticisms as you but I must practice what I preach, make whole what is broken, give some leadership in my community. I try to do my best as do many priests and I think you should acknowledge that TRUTH. Sometimes the bigger picture is too much to bear and for that reason I focus on the place I'm asked to care for and give my energies to doing my utmost for the good of parishioners. I do not believe this approach defines me as an enabler of present Church crises or as acquiescing to an institution that is in great difficulties or of not caring. I decry and am saddened at the crises within the Church but I work as best I can in fidelity to Christ, aware of my own personal flaws. I believe that many, many priests like myself are doing their best and it's unfair to continually demean us as duplicitous in any way. If you truly care, please give us your "vision", if you have one apart from your repetitive criticisms.

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    7. Serving blogger at 16-10. That post is one of the best contributions I have seen on this blog for some time. Excellent analysis and truthful.

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    8. Hi servingblogger

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    9. 2109 - yes, you may be doing your bit in your little part of the world, and that is good. But it is not good enough. You are upholding a hierarchical Church system that is essentially corrupt. Being content with your contribution to your bit of the world is fine, but also enables the corruption that is taking place around and above you. You are in the same predicament as so many who find themselves supporting corrupt and evil institutions - for example, good Germans living in a Nazi State. What do you do ? Well, doing little and keeping your head down has been shown and judged to be complicit. So, courage is required, even at a personal cost. Sorry. But that appears to me to be the only way, to distance oneself and cast off the dust from your shoes. If enough do it, then maybe the Church will change, or another equally valid successor Church will be founded.

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  15. 11:32 What are you on about ? I never said I was on holiday with priests ?? ??

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    1. @13.46 I apologise. My comments were directed at the poster before you - #00.26

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  16. Dear Satan (Pat) why are you jealous of gorgeous?

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  17. To anonymous at 11:27. Fear not. I have already left. Just couldn't be bothered changing my nom de plume. It gave me no pleasure to leave the church I was brought up in but sadly what choice did I have? My belief is in God not in a bunch of egotistical power freaks who have deviated so much from the teachings of Christ. Serving blogger - your comments are heartfelt and I agree with you. Bishop Treanor may be a "good man" but his actions speak otherwise. As magma said, who in their right mind (let alone a "Christian leader" could justify spending 4 million on his palatial pad during a time of recession. A German bishop spent vast amounts of money on his home and was sacked. Why not Treanor?

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  18. Best wishes to Brendan Marshall in the LGBT Society, University of Ulster Coleraine. Brendan is an excellent advocate for marriage equality in Northern Ireland.

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  19. Stephen Wilson is Mullaney's kitten seminarian.

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