Monday 12 November 2018

Dear Pat,

In Birmingham diocese this weekend Bernard Longley wrote a pastoral letter to be read in all churches. It is available on the diocecan website. Fundamantally it just expresses shame and sorrow for abuses carried out by the clergy. 26 priests in his diocese have been named. He and Vincent Nicols will be attending to give evidence in London in November.
Why has it taken a civil inquiry to bring them to admit abuses and show (or maybe feign) compunction? Francis has said that he is setting up a policy of zero tolerance for those protecting abusers in the church. Has their silence in the past given tacit approval to those abusers? Or has their silence shown absolute approval? Honourable men would stand aside and admit their failure! The church will not fall apart if the failed prelates move aside. As Francis says he thinks that God is moving the church in a new direction.

Come on now-actions speak loader than words. They need to stand aside and let some good men in. They need to stop paying lip service to safeguarding while riding roughshod over their diocesan safeguarding teams. 
Vincent and Bernard we are watching to see if you are humble, honest and holy or just protecting your own interests??

Just expressing my thoughts. 

Peace

Xxxxxx

SUNDAY TELEGRAPH 

Britain's most senior Catholic faces questions over church's handling of child sex abuse claims

 Patrick Sawer

11 NOVEMBER 2018 • 7:00 AM

England's most senior Catholic clergyman faces embarrassment this week when he appears before an inquiry to answer claims he ignored child sex abuse allegations against his priests, including the son of JRR Tolkien.

Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the Archbishop of Westminster, is to give evidence in person to the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which is investigating how a number of key institutions in Britain handled sex abuse claims.

The hearing will examine the Cardinal’s former Archdiocese of Birmingham, where he served as Archbishop from 2000 to 2009.

It will look into the handling of allegations against Father John Tolkien, the son of JRR Tolkien, author of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, who was questioned by police in 2002 over an abuse allegation, but was never charged.

Cardinal Nichols faces claims that senior church officials allowed Fr Tolkien, who died in 2003, to carry on working until around the time Cardinal Nichols took over at the Archdiocese, despite senior officials promising an alleged victim years earlier that he would be forced to retire.

Fr Tolkien had been accused by a Birmingham man, Christopher Carrie, of having twice sexually abused him in November 1956, when he was aged 11.

When, as an adult, he discovered in 1993 that Fr Tolkien was working as a parish priest in Oxfordshire, Mr Carrie reported the alleged abuse to the then Archbishop of Birmingham, Maurice Couve de Murville, who promised that senior officials would investigate.

Archbishop Murville told Mr Carrie that Fr Tolkien was shortly due to retire as a priest.

However Mr Carrie discovered the following year that despite this promise, Fr Tolkien was still actively officiating in church services and continued to do so until at least the mid 1990s.

This prompted him to report his claims to West Midlands Police in September 1994. In February 2002, following a second police investigation, the Crown Prosecution Service ruled that while there was “sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of a conviction”, it was not in the public interest to to bring charges against Fr Tolkien because of his poor state of health.

Mr Carrie then sued the Archdiocese of Birmingham for compensation over the trauma he had suffered at the hands. The case was eventually settled, and he was paid an undisclosed sum.

Cardinal Nichols, who will give evidence on Tuesday, is expected to be questioned about how much he knew about claims against Fr Tolkien and other clergymen and what he did about the apparent lack of action by senior clergy within the Archdiocese.

Speaking about Fr Tolkien in October 2003, Cardinal Nichols said: “With hindsight he should have been stopped sooner.”

The hearing will also investigate the cases of Fr Samuel Penney and Fr James Robinson, both of whom were convicted and jailed.

Penney, 75, was jailed for seven-and-a-half years in 1993 after he admitted indecently assaulting seven children, while Robinson was jailed for 21 years in 2010 for the sexual abuse of six young boys which began in the Fifties.

Bernard Longley, the current archbishop of Birmingham, will give evidence on Friday.

Christopher Jacobs, of Howe & Co., who along with Slater and Gordon, represents some of the complainants, told a preliminary hearing in September that the Archdiocese was selected due to “the disparate nature of the Catholic Church and its lack of structure, line management or ability to oversee child protection within its ranks”.

The inquiry will examine “the failure of those at the top of the church either to be able or willing to exercise any form of control or even refer allegations made to them directly to the relevant body,” he added..


PAT SAYS:

It's good to see the state authorities in the US and the UK  beginning to conduct inquiries into the RC church and its handling of all the sexual abuse.

The clergy and hierarchy have clearly shown that they do not have the will to conduct these in investigations themselves.

The civil authorities and the police are the ones to investigate independently.

They can hold the RC church to a count using current laws.

And if they need new laws to hold them to a count the various legislators need to bring them in promptly. 

I have always said that the hierarchy will never take the abuse seriously until we bishops in handcuffs being escorted into prisons having been  convicted by a court for covering up abuse.

72 comments:

  1. Well, Bergoglio is leading the Church in a new direction, is he? The letter writer is mistaken. On his orders the usccb has just been told they are not allowed to pass any actions at their conference. Came as a bit of a shock to dinardo as conference just about to open. Francis doesn't allow it. So much for synodality etc. - only when it suits him!
    Cardinal Vigano is right; Bergoglio is in it right up to his necklace.

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  2. Pat, don't let your hatred of the Catholic Church blind you. IICSA is looking at more than the Catholic Church. It has already had sessions on the Anglican Church and is investigating another 11 institutions. I supposed you're not interested in that as it doesn't feed your bias thinking.

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    1. I know that and it's good that all organisations be looked at.

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  3. MournemanMichael.
    While many years ago some argued that the RC hierarchy had no real understanding of the damaging effects of sexual abuse nor it's prevalence, for a considerable time now it has been made clear that allegations against clerics must be subject to proper safeguarding procedures.
    A corrollory to this surely mandates that allegations of a historic nature not previously acted on by the senior cleric responsible for the alleged abuser should initiate investigative action particularly where the alleged abuser is still in ministry. Ignoring old suspicion as a thing of the past is not an option, and those who do should be held accountable.
    MMM

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  4. The IICSA's Public Hearings are broadcast LiveStream at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4onXesiRdw

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    1. Is anyone watching?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4onXesiRdw

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  5. It would be a fine thing if Dermoot Clifford and Diarmuid Martin were held to account. Not to mention Sean Brady who aided and abeted Brendan Smith.

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    1. Sorry at 6:59 am, please elaborate on just what exactly Diarmuid Martin needs to be “held to account” for?

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    2. For educating georgous with laity money

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    3. Diarmuid Martin also has a history of not acknowledging allegations of abuse. I have an email from his former sadeguarding officer confirming that DM was briefed of my allegation in 2010... not 1 response from him so I took my complaint elsewhere.

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  6. I wonder what +Elsie will say.

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  7. Vinny has called off as he has taken ill. Pray for his speedy recovery.

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    1. Sounds like she trying to do a Cardinal Pell.

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  8. Today,Tuesday, Vinny Nichols should have been appearing at IICSA but following illness at Mass on Sunday, he is now declared hors combat and will not be appearing. Convenient ? For a man who is usually supremely confidently self-assured, perhaps he has suddenly met his match and realised that he will be put through the meat grinder ? And got the wobblies.

    The letter at the head of this post makes a very valid point. Even if the failings of Longley (although I think his are by far the less culpable) and Nichols (who will be crucified over the Tolkien affair) are seemingly minimal, the author is absolutely right that have here an opportunity to do something noble and cathartic, for themselves and for the Church - and that is to resign, sending out an incredibly strong signal that no matter how small the mishandling mistake and judgement might be, it is not up to standard. The message would make it clear that our Church's leadership need to get up to speed, and make sure that everything, everything they do in this area of safeguarding is with out error, because any error has an effect on the vulnerable who are being abused.

    I doubt if either of the two Metropolitans will resign. We will get heartfelt sorrow, they will say what they think are the right words, and hope to get through it and survive. Because, they think that they are chosen, have a mission, a vocation, are called by God.....all that kind of stuff ! They have self-assurance and confidence in spades, indeed clerical arrogance, but they do not have true sorrow and will not do what is self-evidently the right thing.

    Then, when the pitch is cleared out of the old guard, we can start to talk about a Church without a discredited, dysfunctional, self-serving, duplicitous, entitled, hypocritical clerical culture and hierarchy, and take back control of our Church through democratic, lay led and ministered (including married and female clergy) local churches.

    Vinny and Bernard, and all the others, won't want that to happen, so no matter what is said at IICSA, they will hang on.

    You know how to make them listen ? Withhold your money and your talents. It won't be long before they get the message.

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    1. I imagine the prospect of answering questions from real lawyers rather than Canon lawyers was too much for her.

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    2. 09.23.Though you make valid observations, Servingblogger, you are long winded, repetitive and lecture us far too much. You've said nothing new since you began commenting on this blog. Your perspectives are now predictable and offer nothing constructive or positive. Hopefully the courts of the land will ensure justice for all.

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  9. I think Bishop Pat is right; child sexual abuse within the Church will be taken seriously and the rotten evil clerical culture will change, when bishops are imprisoned for covering up criminality amongst the clergy.

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  10. The upside of Bishops imprisonments will be the expertise of the church in relation to prison chaplaincy from the inside going forward!

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  11. Whose funding this IICSA investigation into ‘clerical caca’ ?

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    1. The UK taxpayer. It was set up by the government.

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  12. A similar investigation needs to take place in Ireland and every diocese in Ireland needs to be independently investigated. The clergy CANNOT be trusted.

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  13. This is about an alleged incided from 1956, 62 years ago...

    The gay cabal myth takes a knocking here: https://www.newwaysministry.org/2018/11/12/catholics-reject-accusations-that-homosexual-clique-is-running-the-church/?fbclid=IwAR00WOycUSeTsGBq2j2k4g883T-9UqifPIOlnwotgu76q4JbWWqSDV8LxTQ

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    1. For some of us 1956 was just yesterday...very relevant to all victims
      Facts are facts.. 1956 or 2018

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    2. Facts are facts and crime demands justice.

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  14. What you are looking for is a real live pedophile to be lynched. Too bad that all the alleged incidents seems to lie in the remote past. Well, a few gays and a few bishops will do instead.

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  15. Bp Pat, I read +Elsie will not give evidence at the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse on Tuesday after being taken ill during a Remembrance Sunday Mass at Westminster Cathedral.

    +Elsie, who was Archbishop of Birmingham from 2000-2009, was expected to apologise for Church failings around safeguarding.

    This afternoon Mr Richard Horwell QC told the hearing that +Elsie would be unable to attend due to ill health. The next available date to hear +Elsie's evidence would be 13 December.

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    1. It's very strange he indeed that Elsie/Vinnie Nichols suddenly becomes unwell just before his appearance.

      Is Karma catching up with him?

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    2. I wonder if it was the winter Norovirus, Bp Pat, projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea simultaneously without warning. Must have been some clean up operation at the Cathedral.

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    3. A severe dose of clerical ‘cacas’ brought on by the fear of public exposure ! The weathers turning very cold!

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  16. Karma...! More like moral cowardice!

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  17. Old Joe Lollard13 November 2018 at 14:22
    Is anyone watching?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4onXesiRdw

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    1. It's still up on Youtube now -
      IICSA Roman Catholic Church Investigation - Birmingham Case Study - Day 2 13/11/2018
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=475&v=g4onXesiRdw

      It's well worth watching, but -
      WARNINGS -
      1. You'll find some parts are very distressing.
      2. Fast-forward at the parts of the video - lunches and tea-breaks - that just show the day's schedule.

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  18. Watching at the moment.

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    1. As I watched I saw one victim/survivor who was critical of the way he was treated by Birmingham and a church protection officer from Liverpool.

      He was told by the safeguarding person:

      "They are all (the priests) dead now. Just get on with your life".

      I personally have no faith in these so called safeguarding officers with their massive salaries and church credit cards!

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    2. Part of the company! He who pays the piper...

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    3. That is so disgusting Pat
      Thanks for keeping us all up to date.
      Who are the 2 priests who settled their victims with money this week
      Not reported but still on Twitter ??????

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  19. The Cardinal is on a three week sick cert from his doctor. The chairman is keeping the matter under review.

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    1. Poor Elsie.

      I bet you she's off her food!

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    2. Well,if the ‘cacas’ to ever clear up, food intake will have to be minimal !
      We don’t want a relapse now. Fluids might help allivate matters, temporarily at least.

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    3. Bp Pat, please also keep the matter under review in case he does a runner to Rome.

      Its happened before, it can happen again.

      Concerned OAP

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    4. I would be surprised if he did a runner.

      His reputation will take a hammering at this inquiry.

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  20. Clerical 'caca' is rapidly becoming a recognisable religious phenomenon or syndrome, regardless of religious denomination or persuasion. Features of this syndrome include; elective mutism, severe memory loss, obsessive compulsive shredding of paper, as well as speaking from three places out of the one mouth, which is particularly difficult for all concerned. Further syndrome characteristics to be identified and more research required. A cure is yet to be discovered!

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    1. Is this the 21st century equivalent of speaking in (forked) tongues?

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    2. It must be all that rimming they do.

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    3. A good point - leading to confusion about holey-ness :-)

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  21. This syndrome seems to be having a major impact on the tongue. It's what makes it a particularly toxic syndrome and so difficult to treat. It's got nothing to do with prayer, but may be inhibiting those afflicted in their capacity to pray. Further research required. Any thoughts on a potential cure, Bishop Pat?

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    1. The disease is now a pandemic.

      The cure will have to be totally systemic.

      A kind d of ecclesiastical chemotherapy along with very many amputations.

      We also need anti clerical, anti woman vaccines along with drips full of truth serum.

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    2. 17.00: When are you having your anti hatred vaccine Buckley? It probably wouldn't work, such is the deep rotteness of your hatred. Fool...

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  22. That's a very tall order.
    I think, at this stage, Divine intervention is the only solution...!

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  23. Oh Pat, your hatred is so clear. All those catty comments, what you say about the Cardinal's illness, it just shows how black your heart is. But then in your world, you're the only one that is ever right, so what would one expect?

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    1. I am wrong often.

      But I tell the truth.

      I find it hard to believe that oul Nichols is sick.

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    2. Yeah he's really going to fake sickness and have to leave halfway through Mass in front of a full cathedral. Your doubt says more about you. Anyway he's giving his evidence on the 13th December as IICSA have already said.

      As for speaking the truth, it's your understanding of the truth. It's not always right or true.

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    3. I will not be surprised if Nichols throws another "sickie" on Dec 13th.

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    4. You're the sicko.

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    5. @18:01 and 18:34

      It's true, Bp Pat, +Elsie had to rush from the Cathedral clutching a certain part of her apparel.

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    6. It's Wednesday, Bp Pat, and the place is still hummin.

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  24. I'd put nothing past members of the clergy or hierarchy at this stage. They cannot be trusted.

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    1. I encountered Vincent Nichols about 20 years ago, while I was still a Catholic. He was visiting our parish and my PP asked me to help the Cardinal (then one of Westminster's auxiliary bishops) with a minor problem.

      He seemed a very decent straightforward man. And I think he'd be too straightforward, and not enough of a fast talker to be able to handle the questioning he'd get from pitbull-lawyers; particularly as he's now in his seventies.

      He's a decent man, but I don't think he's a 'fit and proper person' to be the head of a diocese with all the responsibilities that involved - or at least what it's supposed to involve according to the English Law.

      Compare him with Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, who's a former oil company executive, Eton and Cambridge, aw he wasnd is aged only 62.

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  25. 17.26: You're right. Even though Pat highlights important issues, the gleeful delight he expresses at other's misfortunes, his lack of any human decency, understanding or empathy are all appalling. Christ asks much of us who profess his name, but many of us do not do justice or honour to that claim, even Pat. NASTY, VENGEFUL spirit.

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  26. @ 20:59; Where was the human decency, understanding or empathy shown by Priests who abused children or by Bishops who covered up for them..? The Gospel didn't seem to matter to them. What do you think Christ might have to say about their lack of humanity not to mention lack of Christian charity?
    Blame the messenger, the usual scapegoating of those deemed a threat to the status quo!

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    1. 21.55: Of course there was no human decency or compassion or empathy by abusing priests and those in high office. That I accep and am ashamed of it all. I believe in JUSTICE but don't paint all of us with the same brush. I am not into scapegoating, never was, never will be but I firmly believe in TRUTH and JUSTICE, not the lynchmob approach as evidenced by many on this blog, with the supreme lyncher, Pat himself.

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    2. @22:32; The clerical fraternity protects each other. That’s why this mess has dragged on for years. The Gospel doesn’t/ didn’t matter. What’s taken precedence is protecting the brotherhood, the clerical culture and protecting assets. Those in high office don’t appear to give a fiddlers. Too many foot soldiers in the clergy keep their mouths tightly shut for fear of repercussions from their bishops or superiors under the guise of obedience. There’s too many moral cowards in the Rc institutional Church.
      Good shepherds my hat...more like wolves in sheep’s clothing. It’s world wide...and appears to be policy.

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  27. Few believe the claims that Nichol's is simply too "ill" and unable to attend the public inquiry. I construe this as yet another attempt to circumvent justice and deny victims their opportunity to confront the cardinal and ascertain the truth . Nichol's alas is working to the 'old codex' where the Roman Church will never bow to the secular state. It is an unfortunate mindset that will reap the whirlwind.

    Simply adopting the now default 'mea culpa' position will no longer suffice. We now know that Rome is prepared to collapse its own 'protocols' when investigating the likes of Cormac Murphy O Connor. If it does not suit then Imperial HQ will simply refuse to cooperate.

    The Roman Church is a supranational totalitarian institution. It will have to be subject to an transnational international investigation. International criminal trials bringing to justice various cardinals bishops abbots religious superiors and not to mention pope and former pope may now be in order.

    We need the truth. Nichol's conduct demonstrably shows that he will not be held accountable. Perhaps we need to up the stakes and bring him to trial.

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    1. After a couple of Imodium Instants, she could have easily give her evidence from some central London five-star hotel like Pell did from Rome.

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  28. @22:03; As time goes on, transnational international criminal investigations and trials may well happen. Prominant legal academics in America are calling the Church an International criminal organization needing investigation.

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  29. Dear Bishop Buckley,

    As a retired UDR sergeant myself, having served Queen and country in the war against PIRA in our beautiful little province, could I take this opportunity to offer heartiest congrats to the staff and choristers of St Peter’s Cathedral, Belfast on the beautiful Morning Service I happened upon by chance on Sunday morning, via the worldwide web.

    Suffering from a bad cold, I was unable to make it to our local cenotaph and Church as usual. I couldn’t believe my luck, therefore, and had to pinch myself repeatedly, that the beautiful celebration of Britishness that I was listening to on the internet was actually coming from the heartland of the Republican Falls Road and one of its big chapels.

    Oh, the thrilling sweet sounds of “O Valiant Heart” and the soul stirring strains of Elgar’s Nimrod, brought a lump to my throat and more than one tear to my eye! The stirring address on the Great War by the clergyman! It was deeply moving and worthy of one of our finest Cathedrals or Minsters on the Mainland.

    It made me proud to be from British Ulster and gave me great hope for this dear wee country of ours that, at long last, previously rebellious territories have finally been conquered and are now found to be as British as Finchley.

    If I might be so bold to suggest, to the staff of the chapel, perhaps next year, “I Vow To Thee My Country” might be included? A great personal favourite of Lady Thatcher!

    I couldn’t quite make out from the camera, whether or not many of those in attendance at the chapel were wearing poppies but, in truth, this old UDR man’s poppy-adorned breast, with its row of medals, awarded by my government for action against the enemies of Ulster, swelled almost to bursting with pride!!

    From the bottom of my heart, I say, Thank You, to the people of that Falls Road Roman Catholic chapel. You made this old veteran very happy and proud.

    “They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old .... At the going down of the sun and in the morning, We will remember them”.

    Ex UDR, Mid-Ulster





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    1. You can relive the deeply moving Performance on the webcam.

      The statue-licking yokels wouldn’t know the difference anyhow. As one illustrious Administrator once described them, they are “thick as bottled pig sh**”.

      So slip in “I Vow To Thee My Country” next year for the craic! The dolts will be none the wiser! Let Charlie Hughes spin away in his grave! Lol

      Anywhoo, glad to see the Dean’s fine legacy is being maintained - that zealous, selfless and saintly pastor.

      Sure who cares that the parish is dead and Mass attendance is down the toilet?

      There was another fine Performance on RTE a few weeks ago, a link up with a French Catholic TV station, to celebrate 20 years of peace in the Black North (Ha!). There were more bodies on the altar than there were in the congregation. Lol

      Risible. What must they have thought in France? A dead and sparse Irish (sorry British!) congregation, it’s thin populace composed mainly of auld coffin dodgers?

      Oh, who cares what the Frogs think, anyhow!

      Thank God for Brexit! Rule Britannia!

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  30. Does anyone have the details of exactly what happened with Vin on Sunday? Was he carried off the altar? Was an ambulance called? Was it a merely “the vapours”, or something more serious? There must have been hundreds of witnesses. It’s in the public interest to know if he is indeed feigning illness.

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  31. I stronly suspect that Nichol's sudden 'illness' is a legal ploy plotted in advance by his team of lawyers. Longley, his successor as Birmingham archbishop testifies to the public inquiry on Friday. He is probably waiting to see what statements Longley submits to the panel. Then he will be more certain of his ground. Unlike Longley who does have a considerable cultural and educational hinterland Nichol's is on the other hand a career cleric who knows and plays out ecclesiastical politics now at the highest level.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall to watch the scurrying that is going on behind the scenes at Westminster and Birmingham. If the matter was not so criminally serious it would be funny. However there is nothing funny about the matters under scrutiny- the rape and sexual abuse of children by Roman clerics and what their superiors knew and did.

    It may well be regarded as a conspiracy at an international elevel

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  32. I strongly suspect that Nichol's sudden 'illness' is a legal ploy plotted in advance by his team of lawyers. Longley, his successor as Birmingham archbishop testifies to the public inquiry on Friday. He is probably waiting to see what statements Longley submits to the panel. Then he will be more certain of his ground. Unlike Longley who does have a considerable cultural and educational hinterland Nichol's is on the other hand a career cleric who knows and plays out ecclesiastical politics now at the highest level.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall to watch the scurrying that is going on behind the scenes at Westminster and Birmingham. If the matter was not so criminally serious it would be funny. However there is nothing funny about the matters under scrutiny- the rape and sexual abuse of children by Roman clerics and what their superiors knew and did.

    It may well be regarded as a conspiracy at an international elevel

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    1. As a coda to my previous comment I supply a link from the Roman Catholic weekly 'The Tablet'
      It makes for interesting reading concerning Nichol's and his real attitudes towards the victims while at Birmingham.
      https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/11005/absent-cardinal-criticised-for-abuse-failure-

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