Tuesday 6 November 2018

Book Gives Recordings of Cupich as Rector, 
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Homosexual Subculture at Josephinum Seminary
So, a while back I chanced to hear a guest speaking on a secular radio show. During the interview, the guest begins to discuss his history. He had gotten an MBA. At some point, he went into the seminary. He began to talk about encountering a homosexual subculture in that seminary. He mentions that it was the pontifical seminary. The only one in the United States, he said.
I knew he was talking about the Josephinum in Columbus Ohio. Recall that, during the Cardinal Law reports in 2002, it was reported that the Josephinum had allegations of homosexual scandals going all the way back into the 60s. (Ex-Classmates Contradict Cardinal Law’s Deposition, Boston Herald, August 21, 2002 available at BishopAccountability). I’ve reported on news allegations of Bernadin and Pilarczyk at that seminary before, when commenting on how AmChurch attacks a good parish. I had also heard horror stories from conversations among concerned Catholics in Cincinnati when I was younger.
He went on to talk about how he recognized Soviet-style KGB bullying in the way psychologists were used. He spoke of his naivety when he entered the seminary, but how he was surprised when another guy that worked in the library with him began to open up to him about homosexuality, and a homosexual agenda. The next day, the guy would not speak to him — and he said it was because the guy found out he was not “one of them.”  From that point on, Tony began to see patterns and groups of people in the seminary. His past business experiences helped him to see organized activity among the homosexuals.
He took notes, he recorded conversations. Eventually, he left, but only after he had been confronted by the psychologist, the Vice Rector, and several encounters with the Rector.
I was hooked. I thought, “When was he there?”  Was this when Cupich was there or Pilarczyk’s tentacles? Turns out 1995 to 1996. Bingo. That’s at the end of Cupich’s tenure as Rector.
Tony scrubbed all names from the book. He has pictures of letters he sent and those he received from various Clergy and Curia. Those are redacted, but you can piece together who, what and where with some work. I don’t blame him for redacting it all, though. He was threatened by the rector with full legal action if he would ever talk about his experience in the seminary.
This will be fascinating.
I got the book. God Fearing Souls by Tony Ghepardo (using this link generates a small commission for the Bellarmine Forum).

I want to make something clear. Tony admits that he put together a number of relevant life experiences, but they are kind of a hodge podge. It works, though.
The book is written in a style that can be a little jolting at times — the author speaks of himself in the third person, and there’s a narrative style that isn’t quite fiction, nor is it quite investigative report. In many cases, his conclusions or thoughts are mixed into the middle of a factual account. Tony makes it clear what is what, but this writing style, in some parts of the book is closer to reading a police report with notes. In other places, it reads like a novel. Overall, once I adjusted to this, the book is quick to read. Here and there, Tony mixes in some scripture quotes as a contrast to what he was being told by people in the seminary. It works.
What you get as a reader is a bird’s eye view into the seminary experience. You get to see the seminary that was run by Cupich. You get recorded conversations of Cupich with Tony. If you like crime stories, detective shows, and, like me, some morbid fascination with the forensics of human catastrophes, then there is plenty in this book. You’ll really enjoy it.
If you don’t share my morbid fascination with train wrecks, this book is still worth reading because you see the human side of how guys that want to become a priest are treated. Reading conversations between the psychologist and Tony make you realize that once Tony was identified by the homosexual crowd as a problem, the Vice Rector begins to use the machinery to ruin him and pressure him into mistakes. Of course, that’s a conclusion based on my opinion.
You get Tony’s research into the Communist-funded homosexual infiltration into the Church. The same homosexual subculture many bishops and even the Pope are refusing to admit exists. It’s there. We know it’s there. This book is a police report of an accident scene in Columbus Ohio at the Josephinum. Get it, I recommend it highly.
Tony’s experiences and the conversations and evidence he reports in the book will let you make your own mind up about the activities in our seminaries and how this catastrophe works. You’ll enjoy this view into Cupich, too.
From the time when the Vice Rector first confronts Tony, and then puts him into psychological evaluation, Tony decides that he must document what he’s experiencing. Ultimately, Tony decides that he must make it to be confronted by the Rector (Cupich) about his allegations of homosexual activity. Tony estimated that the Vice Rector was the smart one and the Rector was not as smart. The build up and his encounters with the seminarians, including their statements of why they think homosexuality is superior will surprise you.
Eventually, the Rector calls Tony in for meeting. The room is set up to make it difficult for Tony to record the comments of a Jesuit advisor, as they suspected he was using a recorder by then.
The Rector’s conversation is amazingly an echo of the things we hear Cupich say today.
He tells Tony that he will expel those 39 seminarians if he investigates them and finds them to be homosexual. Everyone believes it, but he tells Tony that the only way he’ll do that is to bring all 39 in to his office, and their parents. He keeps working on Tony’s resolve to survive the investigation of the others. Eventually, he forces Tony to write a retraction.

Even down to how he was told to leave, the book will make you realize how the subculture works. You’ll understand better these news stories we are seeing today. Just be sure you want to see the train wreck!

PAT SAYS:

Cupich looks crooked!

It seems to me that he always was?

I don't know what his motives were for entering a seminary. 

But I get the feeling that it was not too long until he copped on that he had something going for him that would lead to his rise of the ladder.

We can speculate what it may have been. I have my suspicions.

Anyway he did climb the ladder doing whatever he was best at. 

How many did he walk over on the way up? How many deals was he part of?

My father used to say: "The higher a monkey claims the more you see of his ass".

Cupich and others in the US and abroad are day by day showing their "objectionable parts" and destroying the faith of the laity in the process.

Congratulations to Bill Mulhiville for tacking Cupich in a Dublin hotel and telling him what he thought of him.

Cupich & Co around the world need to get their marching orders.

They are ecclesiastical sewerage dressed like gold plated caviar!


29 comments:

  1. Again you quote homophobic right wing nuts, and join them in trampling on their current hate object, Cardinal Cupich.

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    1. Pat, destroyers.. !! Look to your own words, behaviour and actions....do you not in another way "destroy" others? I believe you do out of vengance for the way you perceive the mistreatment you allegedly received when you belonged to the Catholic Church. Your vendetta since has crossed the boundaries of decency.

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    2. The "destroyers" I speak of are those cardinals, bishops and priests who destroy hearts, minds, bodies and souls.

      I only want the manmade, corrupt clerical institution destroyed so that the Holy Spirit will be allowed back!

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    3. How do YOU know Cardinal Cupich is a “destroyer”? On the words of ideologues with a toxic agenda who, by the way, would definitely consign you, Pat Buckley, to the flames of hell also?? You are pretty good at being a “destroyer”, yourself, Pat, come to think of it.

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    4. Anonymous at 01:43

      What about the left wing nuts, who have been trampling on their hate object for years, The Catholic Church.

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    5. The Holy Spirit has never departed from the Church and never will. The parable of the Weeds and the Wheat, Pat. The Holy Spirit is right smack in the middle of all the mess with us and no matter how great the number of sins, grace is even greater (St Paul said that somewhere in Romans).

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    6. MournemanMichael:
      Dear Anon 14:57: Your evidence for a "Holy Spirit" is 'exactly what'?
      Wishful make believe thinking based on some dubious texts which may, or may not be quoting what someone allegedly said 2000 years ago is hardly reliable evidence. Are you a childhood indoctrinated unthinking 'believer' clutching at the straws of your aspirational "salvation"?
      The whole industry of 'biblical scholars' discuss endlessly the "meaning" of such stuff, whether it's Mark 13:24-30 or Paul 1Cor 15-42. But at the end of the day, it's all speculation based on supposition, without a shred of evidence.
      MMM

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    7. And that comment, Mournful Mick, only betrays the poverty of you understanding, the utter depths of your ignorance and prejudice with regard to Things of the Spirit, so much so, that engagement with you is utterly pointless. I wouldn’t waste my batteries :-)

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    8. MournemanMichael.
      Indeed Anon @18:50 I am ignorant of the alleged "Things of the Spirit" you refer to.But I assure you that I would happily join the "believers" if one of you, anyone, could provide one iota of evidence in any shape, size or form.
      It has been said that the greatest scientific discovery possible would be proof of the existence of God. Countless others are waiting, but I'm not holding my breath.
      MMM

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  2. Willie worshippers what hi. Im a cleric get me out a here

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    1. Is that thon big Fly on Th Wall bai hi from round about Blayney hi? Thon’s some big buck eejit hi.

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  3. I don't care if priests are straight or gay. What pisses me off is the hypocrisy. Don't preach one thing and live your own life another way. We need to get back to basic Christianity if we truly believe the gospel message and rid out all this corruption/abuse and hypocrisy. Christianity has become a business in some quarters

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  4. 09.30: A broken, scratched record at this stage WaveringWhateverYouAre....Criticisms, yes, but also constructuve, imaginative suggestions. Is it within your capacity to do so?

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  5. I thought Cupich was one of the good guys. Only a few weeks ago he was talking about the damage that clericalism has done to the Church and proposing a new way forward which dismantled clericalism. I read some report about this in the National Catholic Reporter.

    I note also that an auxiliary bishop in New York has been furloughed recently because of a credible and substantiated allegation of abuse - + John J Jenik. He will no doubt be sidelined for a long time, and will probably not be resurrected.

    Whilst I do understand the overriding imperative to cleanse the Church of clerical sexual abuse, I do worry however about natural justice being trampled in the case of clergy who are accused. It appears that you have to prove that you are innocent in order to be resurrected. An allegation is made, a cursory decision is made as to whether it is credible, and just the act of accusation often seems to be sufficient to overcome that hurdle, and the clergy person is suspended, sidelined, and more than likely left there. There is the case at the moment of Abbot Cuthbert Madden of Ampleforth, who was accused of something historical, stood down, it was referred to the police who said that there was nothing actionable, it seems to have gone to some safeguarding board that thinks it is pretty much nothing, but he has not been allowed to go back to his monastery and his position. He is taking a civil action in the High Court, claiming that he is innocent, nothing has been proven, and that he should not continue to be penalised. I suppose one reading of natural justice agrees with him.

    I know other clergy who seem to have got in to this limbo as well, and it does all seem so unfair. But, maybe that is the price we are paying in order to claw our way back to some credibility and integrity in this matter ? And there will be casualties, innocent ones, scattered along the way. Sadly. And that is in addition to the pain and hurt that is caused to the real victims of clerical abuse.

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  6. It's the ridiculous standards.
    No gays in here
    All our priests are celibate.
    Our laity do not use birth control.
    We are all holy.
    The world is all sinful.
    Get real.

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  7. 11:14. What about this for suggestions. Cut out the abuse. Cut out the cover ups. Cut out the avarice. Cut out the power grabbing. Preach and live God's word Open your heart to God's voice. Reject all forms of anti Christian behaviour. Sorry record will keep playing

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    1. 13.55: WaveringWhateverYouAre! Your suggestions are fine but I'm already doing my best to achieve even greater ideals. Perhaps I'll go on retreat with you and be inspired by your purity, innocence, saintliness and goodness of virtuous living. Honestly, I'm serious. I'm looking for a new guru...And you could make a fortune. Perhaps Pat might employ your brilliance of enlightenment!

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  8. I'm not even slightly persuaded by today's blog, Bishop Pat. I know you think writing style relatvely unimportant to whatever case is being made, but such style can reveal a great deal about an author's ability to tell a substantiated and credible story in an unequivocal and telling way. In short, it can (in this case) tell a lot about a person's intelligence, and his skill as an investigator and writer.

    The style of this blog (You don't name its author and source.) is as irritating as allegedly that of Tony Ghepardo himself: largely sensationalist opinion in both respects, expressed in a jerky, confused, and, at times, disjointed way. (The dramatic front cover of Ghepardo's book suggests the kind of overblown yarn the reader is in for.)

    A good English teacher once said: 'Clear writing shows clear thinking.'

    There isn't much clarity in either source here, I'm afraid. But there IS a great deal of speculative opinion. And that just won't do.

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    1. MournemanMichael:
      I agree entirely Magna. As I read, I was irritated by the 'style', and wondering who the writer was and to whom he/she was referring, and consequently what credence to place upon it.
      When +Pat posts this kind of stuff it's easy to see why many ridicule his constant never ending focus on clerical sexual misbehaviour, gay or otherwise and conflate the sexual element with the abuse of power, privilege and the hypocritical cover-ups.
      MMM

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    2. 16.59: MMM AND Magna: I agree also that the style of writing is very confusing and so disjointed I thought immediately of the qualification of the author but even more I question the veracity of this story. I have difficulty following the threads of the story. Fiction largely but very poorly expressed. Pat seems very prone to trawling all kinds of sites searching for any story that he thinks will bolster his agenda. His constant focus on clerical sexual misbehaviour, while important, is, I believe a psychologically perverse obsession in his life. TRUTH and only TRUTH will save the Church but this daily diet of picked up, bizarre, confusing stories do not serve the cause of truth or justice.

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  9. Every seminary in the world has this issue, the most destructive and psychologically tortures is when it is imbedded in the culture of the seminary, i.e. they are all at it. When I was in seminary to be straight was the sub-culture. My personal experience dictates that the majority of ordained clergy are and were actively gay. Straight seminarians actually end up mentally scarred, exhausted and even when ordained their cards are marked. This behaviour doesn't finish on ordination Sunday! I would describe it as the day to day struggle of clerical life.

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  10. Pat Mullaney says that Hayley one who had the baby in Eastenders would get on yer tits so she would

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  11. 17:50. The only Guru you need is God

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    1. 20.50: Pity you don't allow God into your life!!

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  12. Study by Fr Paul Sullins (Sociologist) confirms that incidences of sexual abuse has a near perfect correlation to the increasing numbers of homosexuals in the priesthood. The study also shows that abuse is now on the rise and is at levels not seen since the 70s."To people who hate the truth the truth looks like hate".


    http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/is-catholic-clergy-sex-abuse-related-to-homosexual-priests

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  13. "abuse is now on the rise" -- does he mean child abuse? the only stories we seem to hear now is "seminarian abuse"

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  14. the link given by anonymous 21:10 does not say that abuse is on the rise. Rather this ideologists tries to deny that his thesis of a correlation between homosexuaility and abuse is refuted by the decline of abuse in the last 20 years even as the clergy remains homosexual.

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  15. 00:36. Your vitriol is enlightening

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