Saturday, 1 July 2017

CARDINAL PELL CHILD ABUSE ALLEGATIONS


Cardinal George Pell named Time Magazine Coward of the Year

CARDINAL PELL - THE THIRD IN CHARGE IN THE VATICAN - HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH HISTORIC CHILD ABUSE.

Having refused to go to Australia to appear before the Royal Commission - on health grounds - Pell has now agreed to turn up in Melbourne in a court to be formally charged and hear all the charges against him.

I have no doubt that Pell was told by POPE FRANCIS to leave the Vatican and go back to Australia to face the charges.

Pell is a highly prominent Francis appointment and his charging is a SEVERE EMBARRASSMENT to Francis.

I'm quite convinced that had Francis offered Pell protection and asylum in the Vatican Pell would never have left.

A CONVENIENT HEART ATTACK?

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It would be possible for Pell to have a convenient heart attack in the Vatican and die there - just like Archbishop Wesolowski the Papal Nuncio to the Dominican Republic. Wesolowski was on trial in the Vatican and the Dominican Republic wanted to have him back for trial. 


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WESOLOWSKI

The same could happen to Pell.

A Vatican insider could well hand Pell a glass with the instructions: "The Holy Father would like you to drink this Your Eminence".

If Pell does not want to die - then he has no other option but to go home for his trial.


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WESOLOWSKI'S FUNERAL


IS HE GUILTY?

Legally speaking Pell must be regarded as INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

However I watched the lengthy TV programme about Pell featuring his alleged victims.

I was very convinced by what they said. They had obviously suffered very greatly.

Why would so many boys (now men) say that Pell had touched them and exposed himself to them in a swimming pool and in changing rooms.

Of course Pell will have the best lawyers MILLION OF AUSSIE DOLLARS can buy.

The outcome is by no means certain.

But this new case is a VERY BIG DEAL FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and indeed for POPE FRANCIS.


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124 comments:

  1. I note that tomorrow's (Saturday's) 'Irish Examiner' has a story on its front page: 'Sixth Kerry parish left without resident priest'. There is a photograph of the Bishop of Kerry on the front page. The story is about the shortage of priests in the diocese etc. However, usually with such stories there will be a mention of an impending ordination (if there is one). There is no mention of one.

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    1. Why do people become so concerned (even agitated) at a shortage of Roman Catholic priests? It's almost theatrical, and always amusing.

      Don't any of these people bother to study Scripture? A priest is superfluous to worship of God. Didn't Christ say that where two or three are gathered in his name, he would be among them? No mention here of a necessity for priests. Therefore priests are NOT necessary in the only eyes that matter...Christ's.

      Roman Catholic priesthood is a ***** because it puts itself rather than Christ at the centre of liturgical worship. The priest here is all-important (at least, in his own head); he steals 'the show'.

      Roman Catholic priesthood is a golden calf for many Catholics, but they just don't realise it. They have been deceived.

      Through the shortage of Roman Catholic priests, God is rooting out the weed of priesthood in the Church; he is removing a terrible evil that has greatly damaged his assembly : his people.

      Be thankful that God is dealing with this evil.

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    2. Let's hope he'll deal with your evil soon!

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    3. Oh! A Pell devotee.

      Another useless Roman Catholic priest. I'll take your sleight with an enormous pinch of salt...and a jolly good laugh.๐Ÿ˜…

      You ****** don't matter anymore. Hasn't this sunk in yet?

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    4. Magna,
      Would you take a Sabbatical -,good for you and a welcome break for the rest of us

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    5. Are you confusing Kerry and Killaloe?

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    6. Bitter old queen Mags has been on the bottle again. I hear she had to be carried home from her local - The Bastardo Arms - last night Lol

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    7. LOL? I presume that was 'canned' laughter.

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    8. I'm not so sure Magna should go into anyone's arms at the minute as she does seem to get vexed awful easy. Is that right? - maybe it's just me...

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    9. It's just you. It always is.๐Ÿ˜†

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    10. Just me??!! The only one allowed into Magna's arms! Oh Crumbs... Where the escape door?

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  2. I'm still bemused that Cardinal Pell has been able to hold his position in the Vatican since these credible accusations have been made, some two years ago. He's functioned as if nothing has happened. If it were me or you, accusations like these (even though not yet tested in court, and still upholding the accused's presumed innocence) would have resulted in me being called to see the Bishop or the VG and suspended from my parish, required to leave my home, and being sidelined and cold shouldered until the matter was resolved, with no guarantee, even if the charges did not go to court, our I was found innocent, that I would be allowed back in to active ministry. Cardinal Pell and people like him seem to be above the rules that apply to the rest of us. Oh, and no matter what comes out of this case, in the end Cardinal Pell will be nicely looked after by the Church and his mates. I know priests who are just left to fend for themselves after decades of service, cast aside by the Church, with the justification that they are self-employed and therefore the Church has no obligation towards them.

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  3. How can a priest be self employed when he is owned and manipulate by a puppet master in a point hat. The longer a priest is in ministry potentially the harder it is to adjust to civvy street life

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    1. There are plenty of jobs like that - - - Taxi men turn up for duty for example. They are at the complete bidding of the person at the controls on the depot desk who takes the phn calls coming in from the public.
      Of course, they could "call off" and go home early if there wasn't much to do. But once they go off duty or if they're "not needed" from Monday onwards (the sack?), then you're on your own mate. Lots of other jobs are like that - - including certain types of casual labour or people who are told they're on "zero hours contract".
      The work world is just a tougher place and that's the truth.

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  4. Don't forget that until recently even priests accused like Pell, have also been protected from any justice at all.

    Pat, your image of Pell being given poison is overly dramatic. I thought you previously liked Frnacis? Personally I've never liked the spin that syrrounded him and frankly ut's been his failure on child protection which shows he is just more of the same.

    Priests need to shut up about being badly treated by bishops and having no choices because they've signed up for that and knew full well obedience to the bishops was expected before being ordained!

    At this rate we'll be getting priests who don't live celibately - can you imagine?

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    1. I was hopeful for Francis - but my hopes are gradually and quickly disappearing :-(

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    2. My, My imagine Pope Francis doesn't measure up to Bishop Pat's high moral standards....shame on you Pope Francis!

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    3. Abuse survivors have abandoned his still-embryonic abuse commission in despair. He should be ashamed.

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    4. 09:34, truth sometimes comes through irony, even such sarcasm as yours! Without knowing it, you have actually expressed an important truth about the ***** pope vis a vis Bishop Pat.

      God occasionally uses the morally blind to effect his will, as he did with Augustus Ceasar and Pontius Pilate. So my congratulation to you for making yourself available to God...through moral blindness (and not a little stupidity ).

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    5. Mrs Carter, I am fully in favour of accountability in the Church. But your deranged rants are becoming most tedious. **** off and give us all a break!

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    6. Dear God but that Carter woman is insufferable!

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    7. 14:51 and 15:05, sure what would your mediocre little days be without me?๐Ÿ˜†

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    8. Considerably more tranquil!
      The world can very much do without you and your vulgarities!

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    9. But sure, 15:41, your empty little head would have nothing to occupy itself with, now would it?
      Since it lacks imagination, and the necessary cognitive ability to occupy itself. I suppose one could say that I'm performing an act of charity here. Yes! One very much could say this.

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  5. Sean Page why are you bothering to comment on here? We are not in the slightest bit interested in what you have to say, it's irrelevant. You are not a Catholic anymore you have become an Anglican. Stick to Church of England blogs where anything goes including you. A Church built on filth and sand won't survive. Their Ministers are only men and women dressed up. Truth hurts. Apostasy is a nasty thing.

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    1. There has been much more filth coming out of the RC church than the Anglican or any other church.

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    2. MourneManMichael1 July 2017 at 10:01

      Youmay well speak for yourself Anon @09:27, but please don't presume the right to act as any spokesperson for those others like me, who find Sean's comments interesting and often thought provoking. Thank you.
      MMM

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    3. Well it's remarkable how quick Catholics are to throw dirt at Anglicans. A major sneer is always that Anglican orders are not valid,based on the judgement of Apostolicae Curae that 'intent' was missing from the ordination rite for a long enough period to invalidate the orders. That ordination rite did not intend to ordain a sacrificing priest so the orders were invalid.
      I can hear the type of arrogant, rude Catholic who posted above, loudly agreeing with this.

      Why am I writing this? Because the ordination rite the Catholic church has used since 1968 only installs the ordinand as president of the assembly, it also does not intend to ordain a sacrificing priest.
      ON THE BASIS OF APOSTOLICAE CURAE'S JUDGMENT ON ANGLICAN ORDERS, PRIESTS ORDAINED USING THE ORDINAL OF 1968 ARE ALSO INVALID!
      You can find more on the invalidity at http://traditio.com/tradlib/faq03.txt

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    4. 9.27 I have as much right to comment on here as anybody else so please wind your neck in. If you have anything decent to say come out from behind Anonymous. Catholic applies to more than Roman Catholic unless the Creeds are wrong don't you agree. PS Thanks MMM

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    5. After all the Anglican ordinal was fixed up in 1662, and the Order Of Corporate Reunion along with the Dutch touch infused supplementary lines into their succession.

      I do think that the Classical Anglican vesture is the most elegant in all Christendom. What is more lovely than long surplice and stole, or a cope!

      I really do not think it's prudent for papal Catholics to cast stones at any other church. Remember that the Holy Orthodox Church which reckons herself the one true church does not believe that the other lung is working.

      Fr. Sean is doing wonders by grafting the good aspects of Hibernitas onto the Anglican Church, IMHO.

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    6. I too agree with MMM. Anon 9.27, please do not talk on my behalf. I enjoy Sean's intetesting and thought provoking contribution.

      CR

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    7. The fact still remains that the Anglican Church was instituted by a human, Henry VIII, who put many Catholics to death. It was founded on filth and if Pat had the decency to include my earlier post on the hypocrisy of the C of E, perhaps it didn't suit his anti catholic bias which saddened me. I had more respect for Pat until he blocked my truths about the Anglican establihment.

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    8. @16:34 Well God must have been having a spectacularly bad day when she started the divine Catholic church lol

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    9. Didn't Henry VIII simply get rid of the pope? He retained the Sarum Services in Latin as well as othe Catholic customs.

      Fr. Hunwicke recently mentioned that the king got out of bed to receive the Sanctissimum meekly kneeling upon his knees when he was dying.

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    10. @16.34 please revert to ecclesiastical history lessons.

      1. Historically the Church used to grant divorces & annulments on the grounds of political stability.
      2. Henry VIII applied for a divorve on the usual grounds, which ordinarily the pope would have granted to him.
      3. The pope refused because the Holy Roman Emperor was a nephew of Henry VIII's first wife.
      4. The only religious thing Henry VIII did in reply was to refuse to recognise the superiority of the Pope.

      Question: who was to blame; the pope for breaking established convention or Henry VIII for breaking established subordination to Rome?

      As a Catholic I'm glad Henry VIII did responded as he did. The 'Clergy-side' of the Church is often arrogant and needs to be challenged. CofE supplied a wonderful counter balance to remind the Church of its actual purpose.

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    11. 05:41, you are right about papal arbitraryness and the granting of annulments. Protocol here was dictated not by morality, but by political expediency. If the truth be known, there was no such protocol as papal response bent to the prevailing political wind. In further fact, the pope had already granted an annulment, in similar circumstances, to (I believe) Henry's sister, Margaret.

      Papal disloyalty to Christ's clear teaching, and its international political fickleness, were primarly responsible for the Reformation, not Henry (and certainly not the much-maligned Martin Luther).

      Of course, Catholic schoolchildren have always been taught a revised and sanitised version of Reformation history, one that presents the Roman slut in all her ignominious glory.

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  6. In our modern democracies all people are entitled to the presumption of innocence until a court has declared otherwise, and George Pell has that same entitlement under the Law.
    The fact that he a Cardinal means that many enemies of the church will be out to bring him down to support their already poisonous views of the Church. This poison can be clearly be seen in some of the comments on this blog.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Cardinal Pell will return to Australia to answer these charges. I hope for his sake, and the sake of the church that these charges are shown to be false.
    In a similiar case in the US some years back Cardinal Bernadil was accused of abuse by a young man who was mitivated by the prospect of compensation and was being manipulated by others to get the head of a Cardinal on a plate. The young man in question had a breakdown and confessed to the deception and lies. Cardinal Bernadin forgave him completely and said Mass for him.
    So all you church haters - let justice take its course and allow the Cardinal the same presumption of innocence until it is proven to be otherwise.

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    1. I liked and admired Cardinal Bernadine. What he did with that young man was wonderful.

      But Cardinal Bernadine had issues.

      And he never touched a child to my knowledge.

      I suppose you would let Pell take your 10 year old son / grandson on holidays?

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    2. MourneManMichael1 July 2017 at 10:20

      A major difficulty in proving guilt or innocence in such matters as historical sexual abuse is the evidential threshold standard required for a criminal conviction. On the assumption that Australian law is similar to UK's, the evidence presented for a criminal conviction must be sufficient to prove guilt "beyond reasonable doubt." This immediately raises the reality that incidents alleging abuse most often took place in seclusion and unwitnessed by any other person independent from the victim and alleged perpetrator. Conviction may be judged more likely when there is a cohort of alleged victims with similar abusive experiences to relate to the court. But here again rises the spectre of possible malicious allegations catalysed by other grievances or indeed the prospect of compensation.
      And into this mixture is the reality that a considerable number of actually abused victims may have poor memory recall and/or a personality adversely affected and damaged by the original abuse and subsequent experiences.
      That's even before we consider the machinations of contesting barristers representing their client's interests!
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    3. Cardinal Bernadin

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    4. There is a HUGE difference between the Bernardin and Pell accusations.

      Bernardin had one accuser who indeed retracted.

      Pell has several accusers - accusing him of high grade sexual assaults: fingering boys anuses and groping their penises and testicles; exposing his own genitals to them in changing rooms for prolonged periods; oral sex with two young boys in Melbourne Cathedral.

      These accusations are the worst of the worse. Having watched interviews with his alleged victims, they come across as credible. The trial will decide that of course.

      Pell is no lamb going to the slaughter. He is a very powerful man who will have very powerful legal backing.

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    5. Isn't it strange how the so called victims have the same lawyer?? He has probably promised compensation I in return for false testimony.

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    6. MournemanMichael1 July 2017 at 17:00

      No I don't think it's strange. It would only be sensible and to everyone's advantage in view of my comments above. And while I'm not great fan of lawyers I very much doubt any lawyer would risk consciously advising or inducing false testimony. Your 'probability' is more likely a false presumption.
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  7. Pat, the trouble with those whose acid tongues assault others is that they poison the heart of their owners.

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  8. There is just as much filth coming out of the C of E, the established Church. Just look at Bishop Ball in a court a few days ago, Lord Carey covering it up or rather ignoring all the warnings about Ball. This is one example among many, the C of E is just as guilty. Just look at the present Canterbury and that buffoon in York, tells you all you need to know. Chartres former London refused to Ordain women let alone stand in the same room as female Vicars. Give me a break. The Church of England with Her Majesty as its head, Bishops appointed by the PM, your having a laugh.

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    1. 'You're' having a laugh is the correct form

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  9. Seam Mc Avoy was removed from ministry on the basis of rumour
    What's the difference between him ad Pell
    Red hats

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  10. Apparently, he has hired top criminal barrister Robert Richter QC, so it seems he is planning to return to Australia. I am sure he thought he could do a runner like big Bernice Law.

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  11. Pat like the rest of us George Pell has the right to the presumption of innocence until a jury of his peers finds to the contrary. I have met him many times and I am convinced of his innocence. Many disturbed individuals, after years of alcoholism and drug addiction, can imagine all sorts of things have happened to them, and thats to say nothing of those who lie to get as much compensation from the Church as they can. For the moment I think we should refrain from all further comment as the matter is now Sub Judice. Time will tell. Vatican Insider.

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    1. You make me feel nauseous with revulsion. You stinking priest *****.

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    2. Maggie, you really have lost the run of yourself haven't you - and you are now simply a shrieking, hysterical, foul mouthed, old witch.

      There, there dear, just go with the nice doctor. You'll be fine. All you will feel is a little prick. :-D

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    3. ".. a little prick."

      Ha ha - - you said it, mate!

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    4. @14:11 That comparison can only be considered hate speech against witches!

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    5. 'Lost the run of yourself'. Now there's a little idiom I haven't come across before. You're rather old, aren't you?

      As for 'little pricks', I get enough of them on this blog. Ain't that right, guys?

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    6. Could someone tell Ms Carter's keepers that they need to increase her meds? They could also impose some restrictions on her online activities.

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    7. We couldn't possibly say, Magna! (You're such a touchy character) But we can ask Big Lil. She'll not be long spillin' your beans!....if we could find her....

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    8. Big Lil drops into Hugo's on her way up from the bingo... or I am mixin', her up with the other doll?

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    9. 16:48, y'won't see thon huzzy fer a while. She's afeard t'step outside her own front dour cos the whole toun now knows that sh' sh*ts herself. Even wee Sammy Wilson knows.

      I'm too pilite t'say this, but she stinks t'hay heaven. Even Jesus is houlin' iz beak an' tellin' iz da that this is one chalice he definitely will nat drink from.

      17:33, git yerself away down til Specsavers!Thon wasn't Big Lily y'saw. Anywey, yid've smelt 'er afore yid seen 'er.

      MAGGIE CARTA (Magna's Oul Ma)

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    10. They say you should follow yer nose. I suppose it must've been the other doll then.

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    11. The "Big Lily" posts are very funny and good-natured.

      You, Magna 'Bastardo' Carta, on the other hand, are vile and about as funny as cancer.

      The readers of this blog can detect very easily the smell of sh1te and it's not from Big Lily - God bless her.

      So you and yer imaginary Ma - would ye ever f*** off!

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    12. When the old shrew Carta tries to act like Big Lily she reminds me of the posh boy pretending to be all workin closs like. Grade A Twat!

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    13. 21:41, luv, is there sumthin' 'bout me y' doan like? I sense an awfil lotta hostility eman, aman (aw, shite!) cumin' from yer breast.

      Y'know: aye hav' a hearta gold. Big Lily'll tell y' so. Shill sometimes say t' me: 'Maggie luv, y' havva hearta gold, the fool's kind.'

      Ack! Shiz m' best friend, Big Lily.

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    14. 21:59, gawd, you're so damn attractive!

      MAGGIE CARTA (Magna's Oul Ma)

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    15. Salt of the earth, big lily, despite her weakness for the dean.

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    16. Her weakness for the dean is takin its toll. Mystic Meg read her horrorscope and there was a warnin'about trouble with Long Distance Relationships. 'Course it could be anything as M. Meg leaves things open.

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  12. His relocation to Rome in 2014 and his refusal to return for the Royal Commission... a Royal Commission, mind, citing health and diplomatic immunity had all the same trademarks of the nefarious Bernard Law.

    I don’t think Pell will return ─ health reasons and diplomatic immunity will be recycled.

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    1. He fully cooperated with the commission and gave video testimony when requested. Bernard Law has been back to the US on several occasions. He hasn't been charged with any criminal offences either, just more anti-Catholic propaganda.

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    2. @ 14:14 and his testimony included acknowledging that he knew about abuse and did nothing, knowledge he previously denied having.
      Poor lamb, it's so anti-Catholic to expect a cardinal to own up and tell the truth, isn't it.

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    3. No charges to answer. End of story!

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    4. @17.03 Apart from the charges he's been charged with...

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    5. 17:40, I appreciate brilliance.

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  13. Pat, I hope you will have the grace to apologise when the charges against Pell are shown to be false? Too many rush to judgment and are lead by the Tabloid headlines. I believe Pell to be innocent and the victim of a Masonic plot to down him.

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    1. And I hope that from somewhere deep inside you (if, indeed, you have any personal depth at all) you find the integrity to apologize to Pell's innocent victims.

      There are just too many allegations against this man to make your post even plausibly just in its arrogant dismissal of Pell's accusers.

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    2. Many false witnesses were presented at the trial of Jesus. Don't be so really as to accept every accusation. And please refrain from personal insults in your replies, it is crass and gives away a lack of breeding.

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    3. There are just too many allegations? Bravo on the detective skills. Thankfully failed ex whatever you were do not investigate matters that require intelligence magna.

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    4. @14:11 Your comparison with Jesus's trial (which as I remember was not for sexual abuse) made me laugh out loud. Thank you for being si ridiculous.
      I'm just out to the bookies to find out what odds they'll put on Pell-vis being found guilty - it probably won't be worth putting a bet on.

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    5. We know, idiot, that there were false witnesses at Jesus' trial. What the Hell has this to do with Pell's accusers?

      You're not exactly a logical thinker are you, 14:11?

      Oh! 14:12, thanks for your congratulation on my detecting skills. Good to know at least one of you has something approaching logical intelligence.

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    6. To 15.23
      You haven't put on your bet on the Pell case yet(We can tell..) There is a lot of co-ordination and control between our online bookies and walk-in bookies but you could try using Paddy Power for this if you're putting up a decent figure. But don't forget what happened when people jumped in at the time of the Pistorius case.. It would be up to yourself,mate

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    7. @13.12 Read the blog again carefully. Pat is saying he has been charged.
      This is a victory for the workings of justice so that a senior Catholic gets charged because there is a case to decide.
      http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/susie-obrien/susie-obrien-charges-against-george-pell-are-a-sign-senior-catholics-are-not-above-the-law/news-story/d06155501c8b2c5607492f7e3979072f

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    8. MourneManMichael1 July 2017 at 20:42

      To add to my comment above concerning the difficulties involved in arriving at a finding of guilt, equally so, it may not be possible to "prove" innocence.
      Other than when witness's or victim's statements or allegations are clearly and manifestly false, a jury, after hearing all the evidence, can only determine whether or not, on the evidence presented it believes(unanimously or by a legally accepted majority)that it/they cannot make a finding of guilt on all or any of the charges.
      Now that is different from proving innocence. Just as many innocents have been found guilty, so too guilty defendents can be found not guilty. In reality that may be because insufficient evidence has been found and/or presented poorly by prosecuting counsel. And of course skilful defence counsel can sometimes successfully undermine and weaken even strong evidence of guilt.
      "Beyond reasonable doubt" is a high threshold for a finding of guilt, and properly so.
      MMM

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  14. Any word on Gorgeous? Dublin changes well underway. Pro Canon on the move to be replaced by DM's current Rottweiler.

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    1. What's the Rottweiler's name?

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    2. Once again this is untrue.

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  15. Any word on changes in Dublin ? Where is the Canon of the Pro going ?. Who is replacing him ?.

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    1. I wonder if the Canon of the Pro is being sent to the Irish College - or maybe the USA?

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  16. The current Rottweiler is Fr Gregory O'Brien. A trusted minion.

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    1. Ha! Ha! DM loves Gregory O'Brien like the Devil loves holy water.......someone is giving a bumsteer!

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  17. None of your business......

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  18. @Pat I think you took me up wrong late last night when I alerted you to the story in todays Irish Examiner. It is the Bishop of Kerry and the diocese of Kerry which features on today's front page. A sixth parish is left without a priest etc. I mentioned that there was no mention in the story of a forthcoming ordination as these sort of stories usually mention a forthcoming ordination. It's the diocese of Kerry and so it's weird there as no mention of Deacon Sean Jones. That's what I was hinting at. I know I sent it late last night, Pat, but you mixed it up with the diocese of Killaloe as you mentioned that the bishop had appointed a priest as a principal etc. It's the first comment on today's story.

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    1. Yes. It was my mix up. Sorry.

      It brings my infallibility into question :-(

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    2. @Pat, not at all, there's that much wrong with all the dioceses you'd need a secretary. However, do you think it's odd/weird that there was no mention of a forthcoming ordination in the story.

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    3. Any word on the strange happenings in Meath?

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    4. Pity that Mgr Kevin Gillespie has returned to Raphoe from being the Pope's right-hand man. He was his Master of Ceremonies. He'll miss out on accompanying the Pope on his visit to Ireland. Is it a bit weird that you go from being the right-hand man of the pope to becoming a curate in the Cathedral in Donegal? Is there a parish priest/administrator over him in the Cathedral? If so, isn't it weird that a PP would be over a youngish Monsignor? Seems a bit weird, especially since he didn't return to be Bishop of Raphoe.

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    5. I hadn't heard he was back.

      I would imagine it is to give him pastoral experience before being appointed a bishop?

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    6. Meath is a "developing" story.

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    7. What is the story? Can you give a general idea?

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    8. It will have a dash of lavender, we can be sure of that.

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    9. Killala/Tuam is where its at. Those two will prevent a papal visit.

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  19. 'Innocent until proved guilty, however...... I think that he's guilty having heard one side of the story. For goodness sake have you no discretion at all?

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    1. Remember he was pictured gorging on steak, chips and beer in a Roman piazza – just weeks after claiming he was ‘too ill’ to travel to the royal commission. He is a con man.

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  20. Pat, life must be so lonely for you. There are so few people who reach your standards of perfection!
    Or is it just that your Rose tinted glasses of hatred blinds you to the good in others? It's like the old joke about the Irish mammy at the passing out parade of her son in the army she declares "would you look at that, they're all out of step except my Patrick"

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    1. I am far from lonely.

      I am also far from perfect.

      But a blog is about expressing the bloggers opinions.

      If you don't like it - don't read it!

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    2. Frankly, when you look at the people saying a man being reasonably charged with a crime is anti-Catholic bias, and the various other hysterics ranting on here, being out of step with everyone else becomes the only place to be!

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    3. Oh, Jeez! The (very) old joke about the Irish mammy at the passing out parade...

      19:52, you're a living clichรฉ.

      Actually, the joke finishes: 'they're all out of step except my JOHNNY'.

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  21. Cardinal Pell was in charge of the finances in the Vatican. He appointed external auditors who were sacked without his knowledge. An assurance was given that the internal auditors were still overseeing things and then the chief internal auditor resigned. Now Pell has gone, just a coincidence of course. My guess is that people at a very high level who are friends of the Pope were getting very worried, now that Cardinal Marx is in charge of the 'petty cash' records, they can relax. EL

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    1. See I knew he'd been thrown to the wolves and here's why.
      Oh shit, my comment lacks nuance.

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  22. @Pat Mgr Kevin Gillespie had about nine years pastoral experience before he went to Rome. How much experience does one need? Besides he replaced a co diocesan young-ish priest, Fr Eamonn McLaughlin, at the Congregation of the Clergy. Indeed Fr McLaughlin was ordained a few years after Kevin Gillespie and Fr Laughlin began his ministry in Rome at the Congregation of the Clergy. Fr McLaughlin went back to Raphoe at that juncture and Kevin Gillespie went over to Rome to replace him. Now, Fr McLaughlin is going in the opposite direction. Mgr Gillespie is coming back from the upper echelons to replace Fr McLaughlin as CC in the Cathedral and Fr McLaughlin is returning to Rome to replace Mgr Gillespie in the Congregation of the Clergy. The younger Fr McLaughlin seems to be the one that is earmarked for higher things. It appears him that Rome wants back.

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    1. Thank you for that interesting / useful information.

      Maybe in the future we will have Bishop McLaughlin and Bishop Gillespie?

      But they will be preaching to very empty pews.

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    2. Empty pews where? Not in raphoe

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  23. Does the Meath story concern indigenous Meath clergy or clergy who did not grow up in the diocese? Meath imported its fair share of seminarians from Dublin and other places in the past 25 years. Could that much be clarified? Dublin seemed to turn down quite a considerable number as it had psychological testing in the early days and a lot were refused. Meath didn't and accepted quite a few which Dublin had turned away. Is there an age profile on the Meath story at all?

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    1. The problems involve natives and blow ins.

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    2. Re Meath: Do you have a rough age profile of the protagonists?

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    3. For example, SilverDaddies or FabBoys.

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  24. Mgr Kevin Gillespie is like St John announcing one far greater. In this instance the one far greater is Fr Eamonn McLauglhlin. Fr McLaughlin was ordained for Raphoe a few years after Mgr Gillespie who is about 44. Fr McLaughlin's first ministry was in 2002 in Rome with the Congregation of the Clergy. He was there for about five years and returned to Raphoe. Mgr Gillespie had a good 6 or 7 years pastoral experience in Raphoe at that stage and he was chosen to replace Fr McLaughlin in Rome at the Congregation of the Clergy. Fast forward some years and Mgr Gillespie has been sent from Rome to replace Fr McLaughlin as curate in the Cathedral. Meanwhile Fr Mclaughlin returns to Rome to once again to work with the Congregation of the Clergy. So to answer your question, Mgr Gillespie doesn't need pastoral experience to be appointed a bishop, since he already had about 6 years. It would appear he's going nowhere except to replace a curate in the Cathedral. Meanwhile, the curate he is replacing, Fr McLaughlin, is the one to watch. McLaughlin already worked at the Congregation of the Clergy in Rome and Gillespie replaced him, but has now Gillespie is being replaced by McLaughlin who now has the added bonus of some years in pastoral-land in Raphoe. Don't be surprised if McLaughlin returns one day as much more than a Monsignor like Gillespie.

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    1. Time will tell.

      In any event - empty pews.

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    2. Auld Letterkenny Catholic2 July 2017 at 00:17

      21.10 Fr it won't take Hercule Poirot to work out who you are. Not every one can get to serve the Holy father. Do I detect a little flavour of sour grapes in your previous postings?

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  25. I imagine Pell's appointent was just a ruse to get him out because the Australian authorities were on his tail.

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    1. Then why is he now going home? Not much of a ruse, was it? He was used by the Vatican but is no longer useful because he took his financial job seriously and didn't follow the party line. He is toast for alleged offences from 50 years ago and none since - in most countries this wouldn't merit investigation let alone action.

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  26. Cardinal Muller is gone. will Pat be his replacement?

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  27. COMMENT EDITED BY PAT - REMOVING NAMES FOR NOW.

    "Pat, I was recently told of a certain Rev. Xxxcc xxxxxxx who left his diocese to be in a relationship with a Meath priest. Can this be true?"

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    1. The Meath matter is ongoing and will be explored when full information is verified.

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  28. I took the screen shot at 1.20am this morning... Honest is one thing you are not. It time that this info was given to the Garda, you are out to destroy lives... as soon as you publish a name it will be game set and match. How many solicitors letters to you get ? You are disgusting buckley a lying toad.

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