Saturday 3 November 2018

NOVEMBER AND THE DEAD


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As a Catholic, from the age of 3 or 4, I have celebrated November as the month for remembering and indeed praying for the dead.

At the end of October every year we would fill out the Dead List form that had been provided to us by our parish and priests and put the envelopes in a basket in front of the altar before Mass.

When I was doing it as a young person it was a family envelope and the tradition was that you also had to include money in the envelope as an offering to the priests.

When I was a curate in St. Peter's Cathedral in Belfast the administrator Father Vincent McKinley called the practice "The November Stakes" because the money was divided among the priests and it was always a very healthy bonus on the clerical income.

At the time there were no priests' salary and my income at the time was my "keep" and £75 per month.

The "November Stakes" brought each priest in something like £300.

But this situation was accepted by people and priests and the extra money helped.


I still keep to the November Dead List and here at The Oratory all the envelopes contained and contain are the list of the deceased - no money or offerings.

Because I have deceased family members who are still most dear to me I like the opportunity to remember them, especially in November Mass - although they are in my mind most days as I deliberately keep photos of them on the walls in my home.

My most treasured deceased in my mother JoJo. She lived with me for the 16 years before she died. She was the mother of 17 children and the most loving and caring human being I have ever met.


Jojo having a cig in a cafe near Notre Dame in Paris on a trip we made (1929 - 2006)

I was the oldest of the 17 and next to me was Margaret who died recently enough. We were lifelong mates. She had a very hard life - poor marriage and her oldest Christopher took his own life.

Margaret when I brought her on the holiday of her lifetime in Venice

My Dad, Jim, of course, who began life in absolute poverty and who made his way from factory worker, to trade union official to personnel manager and eventually barrister.


My little sister Sandra who was disabled and who we were told would die before 12 and who made it to 39


Sandra on my lap on her First Holy Communion Day - she was not pleased


Mr brother Seamus who died or alcohol-related illness



And there are so many others no blog would hold and name the details.


I know everybody reading this Blog today will be moved by their own m, memories, and griefs.

Death is a part of like - and in many ways a sad part of life.

Some of us hold on to our faith that says that all these are in a better place and that we will meet them again.

Others have no such beliefs.


PRAYER FOR THE DEAD

God our Father, 
Your power brings us to birth, 
Your providence guides our lives, 
and by Your command we return to dust.

Lord, those who die still live in Your presence, 
their lives change but do not end. 
I pray in hope for my family, 
relatives and friends, 
and for all the dead known to You alone. 

In company with Christ, 
Who died and now lives, 
may they rejoice in Your kingdom, 
where all our tears are wiped away. 
Unite us together again in one family, 
to sing Your praise forever and ever.

Amen.


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If you wish to email or post the list of your deceased we will remember them all during our November Masses

bishopbuckley1@outlook.com

6 Princes Gardens, Larne, Co. Antrim. N. Ireland. BT40 1RQ



THE ORATORY - NOVEMBER
 DEAD LIST








THE ORATORY
N O V E M B E R   L I S T

“Remember, Lord, your servants who have gone before us marked with the sign of faith.  Grant to them and to all who sleep in Christ,
a place of light and peace.”

























Please return this list to The Oratory
 It will be placed before the altar and those whose names are written here

will be remembered before God each day.





48 comments:

  1. Pat, I hope and pray that comments will be respectful and sensitive on this topic of remembering the faithful departed, especially our own loved ones. Prayerful remembrance Services and Masses at this time of year are appreciated by all. There should be no place for disrespectful or crass comments on this matter. Tomorrow I will lead a prayer service at our local cemetery and it will be packed. I always believe the ground of a cemetery is sacred ground. I am moved by the sincerely held beliefs of all who come along. I am touched by the blessing of remembering and the grief of those recently bereaved. Lile the falling leaves, we too have our falling, as Rilke says, but "there is One who holds our falling, with endless gentleness". Let's pray for our deceased with gratitude to God and pray too that all who grieve will be consoled.

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    1. Patsy at 08:13

      For once I agree with you Patsy. It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from their sins. May the souls of the faithful departed through the mercy of God rest in peace. Evviva Maria!

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  2. Ah may the good Lord have mercy on your family and all the sufferings they endured. God Bless Pat!

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  3. While very honourable requesting prayers for our faithful departed, surely asking people to send A November Altar List to you is touting for business - and undoubtedly some, if not all will forward money for you!! Don't then make judgment on other clerics. God rest the souls of our departed.

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    1. I do not require any monies with November Dead Lists. If any comes, which I hope it will not, I shall give it to a local project for the homeless.

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    2. PS: I am not touting for business.

      Many of our readers do not go to RC churches anymore and may like to have their deceased remembered all the same.

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  4. Thank you BP Pat for your story. I will forward on the names of my own parents who have sadly departed. It is important that we remember them in our prayers and I would deeply appreciate them being remembered in your prayers. God Bless

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    1. As soon as they arrive I will place them before the altar in The Oratory.

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  5. Pat, I believe in the Communion of the Saints and I believe we can pray to and for our departed ones, trusting in God's infinite mercy and love for the. May all whom we remember in faith and prayer be embraced fully by God's love. May all who grieve find healing of any regrets, hurts and their pain. Loss can be traumatic and the pathway out of grief is one we each must discover for ourselves.

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  6. Death and the experience of loss and grief is no respector of age.

    Do you also pray special intentions at this time for the living Pat as there many carrying their own crosses and burdens across the country and beyond.

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  7. And then we have Spain not knowing where to place the remains of Franco
    Is the Vatican involved with this?

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    1. I understand that The Vatican agrees with the Spanish Government that Franco should NOT go into the cathedral.

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  8. Did I hear on the radio this am...that bodies of paedophilic priests should be exhumed and buried where?????with jimmy Saville perhaps ?

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    1. Yes I did hear someone on the radio thisam referring to exhuming paedophilic priest’s.
      Not sure if it was a media article or not.

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  9. Yes indeed. The November list was a money spinner for some (not all) in the past a bit like the mass cards. I agree We should remember the dead with reverence and respect. The living also deserve respect as some on here may need to take note hi. May the Faithful Departed rest in peace

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    1. Fly on the wall...
      Why don’t you respect others without your
      unnecessary derogatory comment.

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    2. 1541. What’s drogirity hi. Am I or are u being disrespected

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  10. Pat, would you remember my mum, please, in your November Masses?

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    1. What about the mums of all the composite characters you have created, Frankenstein Carta?

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    2. What? Aul Maw Carta is dead? She won’t like that!

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  11. So, today in the Birmingham Archdiocese we have + Bernard's (aka Nursey or Bunty) pastoral letter preparing us for the upcoming IICSA appearance of him and Nichols to give evidence about what went on in Birmingham Archdiocese. Couve de Murville (aka Coco de Bourneville) would probably also be appearing if he were still alive. C de M would not have looked good, if only because he always looked so shifty when being interviewed or questioned. Nice man though he was.

    Well, I listened to it and I read it. It says nothing new. It is the usual litany of sorrow for what has gone on - with the subtext that it has nothing to do with me, Guv ! It all happened before my time.

    Stuff like: "Cardinal Vincent and I are at one in our sense of shame and sorrow. We are at one in our willingness to assist this public Inquiry and to learn from its findings how best to safeguard all in our care and to respond promptly and compassionately to those who have been abused." I suppose there isn't much more that he can say ? Or is there ?

    Interestingly, he does say that they have had some audits of safeguarding done recently and been found wanting, and are working their arses off to get things in order before they appear before IICSA: "These two reports have highlighted serious past failures and current areas requiring significant improvement in diocesan practice and we are acting promptly to put their recommendations into action. Both reports have been disclosed to IICSA and they will also be shared with other Dioceses and with our national safeguarding structures so that everyone can benefit from them." You would have thought after all the trouble of the past two decades they would have made sure that everything was ticketyboo ?!

    This letter fails, however, like all the protestations of sorrow from Church leaders, sincere though they may be, to get at the root cause of what has been going on. It is tinkering aroudn the edges. Sorrow, procedures, hope for the future....etc., but it is just not enough. The root cause of past and present troubles in this area of abuse is the culture of clericalism, of which they are all part and have a vested interest in. Unless something is done about priests and who they think they are and how they live and act, and that means taking them off their own imagined pedestals and the elevated position we in the Church have given them, then nothing will change. Humility, poverty, simplicity, integrity, honesty, prayerfulness, service....these are the things they should be taking about, and not just saying sorry. Sorry is not enough anymore ! And of the rest I mentioned, humility, poverty etc., well we don't see a great deal of that, do we ?

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    1. Your analysis and recommendations cannot reasonably be faulted, and I doubt whether they can be bettered.

      There is a preference (and self-serving laxity) in the institutional Church to ideologise problems rather than actually to resolve them through remedial counter-action. It is why a global media spotlight needs to remain focused on the Church worldwide to remind it, cajole it, prod it, and, if these fail, to force to enact change through the humiliation of public expose. This is one reason that websites like Bishop Accountability .Org are fundamental to the reforms that are needed, because, left to the bishops' alone, they are unlikely to take place.

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    2. 15.33: Whoever you are, your comment has nothing at all to do with the reflections of today's blog. Shame on you! We're remembering our loved ones who have died, those who grieve and all who need consolation. All you can offer is this news! If you are a priest, double shame, if a parishioner of a parish somewhere, try to focus on the the topic for reflection. I've just come from a cemetery November blessing service and many were grieving deeply but found some consolation from the prayers, music and reflections. It's November, a month in which we remember all the faithful departed, a fact that obviously escapes your imagination or Christian sensitivities. I suggest you pray the beautiful prayer which Pat has on his blog today!

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    3. @ poster 15.33... Brevity's not exactly your thing, is it?!! You're not a person to use one word when a hundred would do. LOL

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    4. @15:33 that was exactly what I thought when I read the pastoral letter.

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  12. Hi Pat. Hope your cousin is ok following his accident is Spain whilst on holiday with it. Praying for him.

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  13. Me and a friend contributor of your blog got an email form your email address asking to contribute to medical treatment as you had been in an accident with your cousin on holiday in Spain and he was ill. Sounds like you have been hacked. Thanks be to God you are ok.

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    1. That was spam. I was not in Spain.

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    2. What about Mykonos, Bp Pat, doing your "Shirley Valentine?"

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  14. You certainly chose the right parents Pat.

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  15. Oh, Bp Pat, what an ungrateful, selfish, self-centred man you can be at times... of course, you know that.

    Time for some grave scandal from Maynooth before comments are reduced to single figures.

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  16. Pat, God willing you will be on the List yourself by next November and we can all pray for you then.

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    1. I hardly ever agree with Pat (he seems like a one trick pony - how to slag off the church but he's always right) but 21:23 wishing someone dead is just beyond the Pale. What a horrible comment.

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    2. 21:23 What a terrible thing to say!

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      If you think yourself Catholic and proud of your comment than you have definite issues.

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    4. 2123:Remember YOU ALSO dont know the day or the hour.When your time comes then hopefully someone you know May include YOUR name on the November altar list of the dead. God's will(NOT YOURS)be done.

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  17. 21:23. What a disgraceful, immature and un Christian comment. It's people like you who need Pats prayers and everybody else's for that matter. Grow up and try acting like a human being. Some vitriol gets spilt on this blog but you, by wishing someone dead, are a disgrace. When YOU lose a loved one (and I hope it's no time soon) I hope you reflect on your comments and have the decency to apologise. Your comments were neither funny nor called for. What God do you follow?

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  18. 20.28 and 21.23: Same person I think! How horrible the comments and unnecessary. Look into your heart. Pray for God's grace in your life. You need it.

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  19. Whats wrojg with wishing someone a speedy transition to God,s kingdom?

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  20. So good to read something Pat that is not copied and pasted from somewhere else. You should use your own words more often instead of those of others.

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