SOME IN GAY COMMUNITY THINK GAYS CAN DO NO WRONG.
There are some people in the gay community who think gays can do no wrong and should never be criticised!
And if anyone dares criticse anyone or anything gay they throw a massive wobble.
It happens all the time on this blog.
On Thursdays blog about the new Armagh Grindr priest the gay warriorettes were out in force, sending in vicious comments and threatening me with the gay equivalent of hellfire and brimstone.
Of course gay people have suffered massive discrimination over the ages - and are still suffering in many countries. We must support and uphold them in any way we can.
Gay people must have total and absolute rights equality.
But like all people their rights come with the equivalent responsibilities.
And, others, under freedom of expression, have the right to criticise gays when they think they fail.
There are good gay people and bad gay people.
There are gay saints and gay scoundrels.
And I'm not sure it is authentic to regard all gays as members of the "Gay community".
Personally, I not like being defined on the basis of my sexual orientation alone.
I am Pat. I happen to be Irish. I happen to be a Christian. I happen to favour the political left. I happen to be a priest. And I happen to be gay.
But primarily I happen to Pat. And Pat is a composite, not just one single, simple facet of myself.
I don't like one issue political party or politician.
Not all gay people regard themselves as members of the "Gay community". I don't.
Of course there is nothing wrong with being part of, or supporting a group, that promotes the rights of a particular group.
But we are all individuals and cannot surrender our whole selves to some interest group.
So messages telling me that I will be excommunicated by some notional gay community are nonsense.
I've been excommunicated by bigger
There are some people in the gay community who think gays can do no wrong and should never be criticised!
And if anyone dares criticse anyone or anything gay they throw a massive wobble.
It happens all the time on this blog.
On Thursdays blog about the new Armagh Grindr priest the gay warriorettes were out in force, sending in vicious comments and threatening me with the gay equivalent of hellfire and brimstone.
Of course gay people have suffered massive discrimination over the ages - and are still suffering in many countries. We must support and uphold them in any way we can.
Gay people must have total and absolute rights equality.
But like all people their rights come with the equivalent responsibilities.
And, others, under freedom of expression, have the right to criticise gays when they think they fail.
There are good gay people and bad gay people.
There are gay saints and gay scoundrels.
And I'm not sure it is authentic to regard all gays as members of the "Gay community".
Personally, I not like being defined on the basis of my sexual orientation alone.
I am Pat. I happen to be Irish. I happen to be a Christian. I happen to favour the political left. I happen to be a priest. And I happen to be gay.
But primarily I happen to Pat. And Pat is a composite, not just one single, simple facet of myself.
I don't like one issue political party or politician.
Not all gay people regard themselves as members of the "Gay community". I don't.
Of course there is nothing wrong with being part of, or supporting a group, that promotes the rights of a particular group.
But we are all individuals and cannot surrender our whole selves to some interest group.
So messages telling me that I will be excommunicated by some notional gay community are nonsense.
I've been excommunicated by bigger
In truth it is heterosexuals who suffer bigger discrimination today. There is not one university in Ireland with a Heterosexual society, but they all have LGBT societies. Gays have their own bars, saunas, communities, parades and festivals. If I went out celibrating my sexuality I'd be labelled a chauvinist and looked down upon.
ReplyDeleteBirds of a feather...
DeleteStudents decide what societies they start/run. Nothing to do with the university. I guess straight people never felt the need for a hetrosexual society.
DeleteThe university needs to approve societies. Students have felt the need but have not been approved.
DeleteI suppose Maynooth is a microcosm of the "gay community" encapsulating in miniature the characteristics of something much larger. It's not very nice, really, is it.
ReplyDeleteSomething being the larger church in this case.
DeleteThose same people think heterosexuals in seminary can do no right. They have Maynooth destroyed and they exist in both staff and student population. Scumbags.
ReplyDeleteNot only is Maynooth destroyed but the entire Church worldwide is imploding, from the top down; bishops have no moral authority, the clergy, the butt of jokes and the Gospel discredited.
DeleteThere’s a significant apostasy within the clergy.
When did the Priesthood become a political lobby group?
You haven't changed Pat, always been mixed up with a confused direction.
ReplyDeleteA path of hurt towords other, mainly the church and gay culture.
I try to live my life with love, mercy and compassion for all around me, even my enemies!
Is that not the true Gospel teaching?
Perhaps the most naive post ever is that at 10.00 by anon.
DeleteIf you bury your head in the sand eventually you suffocate
MournemanMichael.
DeleteIf compassion, mercy and love are thè essence of naivite, count me in.
MMM
10:00, if it weren't for the chronic moral whoring of the institutional Roman Catholic Church there would be no need of blogs like this one. 😆
DeleteWhere was/is the compassion, mercy and love towards victims of sexual crime by members of the clergy and subsequent cover up by members of the hierarchy ? How is the memory of Christ honored by willful hypocrisy, willful promiscuity and arrogant silence and cover up ? It seems to me that mercy, love and compassion is conveniently and selectively, discussed, shown and lived by far too many of the clerical fraternity.
Delete@10:00; '...Don't mention the war'...Bishop Pat. Don't highlight the corrupt underbelly of the Rc Institution as it makes life uncomfortable for some members of the brotherhood! Have you @ 10:00 any idea of the path of hurt caused to thousands by members of the clerical fraternity, regardless of sexual orientation?
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ReplyDeleteI find nothing naive about 10.00. Seems very admirable and Christian to me!
What is wrong with trying to live with love, mercy and compassion?
You need a 'rethink' process!
There is nothing wrong with love, mercy and compassion. But if people treat Pat without love, mercy and compassion and he points this out how can anon @ 10.00 criticise Pat?
DeletePat has demonstrated love, mercy and compassion repeated on the blog; but he has also demonstrated that he will defend himself from people who treat him with a lower standard.
I don't need any 'rethink' process. I'm happy without RC double standards. Thank you.
The article in the phoenix magazine on Conor Gannon, what does it say. The website of the current mag gives the first part. Has anyone read it. Thanks
ReplyDeleteI have asked a Dublin journalist to send me a copy.
DeleteWill let you know.
Do a nice blog about it, Bp Pat, so we can all enjoy reading about the mincer.
DeleteD ya no hi this blog is more about sexuality than Christianity. Is it really Catholic blog spot anymore
ReplyDeleteMournemanMichael.
DeleteStarting tonight on BBC4 is the first of a six part series, "A History of Christianity."
Usually well researched it will be interesting to see to what extent their presentation differs from the naive 'fairy tale ' Christianity blindly followed unquestioningly by so many.
Despite whatever authentic evidence BBC presents no doubt it will be dismissed in favour of continuing blind belief in comfortable mythology.
MMM
Thanks, Willo, for this info about the programme.
DeleteShall tune in.
17.22: MMM - or WillyWispy or WoollyWashyWispy - get off the soap box. We know your form by now - deriding, ridiculing and condescending to all of a religious persuasion. You once said that "respect" and "tolerance" ( in agreement with me) were the basis of genuine dialogue and narrative for a better society, irrespective of our different perspectives. Perhaps you mught review your conscience and relearn respect and tolerance. I wouldn't dare make snide, ignorant comments about your atheism, however much I reject and disagree with your perspectives.
Delete19.02: Maggie's loving, warm embrace of "Willo" is laughable. Do you both share the same mountain cave site? Sounding like the Chuckle brothers! Thanks for the comedy "Mags"!
DeleteMournemanMichael.
DeleteI was a bit disappointed with the BBC programme. But in retrospect perhaps it was unreasonable to expect a critical analysis of the historical basis of the origins of Christianity. Will see how it develops.
MMM
MournemanMichael: To Anon @ 21:38
DeleteI've heard the expression "Little amuses the innocent." Could you kindly explain what that means please: emphasis on the "kindly."
MMM
Poor Buckley - what a preoccupation for a "bishop" in the month of the Holy Souls! You are crap, pure gossip, bottom of the barrel.
ReplyDelete14.02: Though you write so awful and so poorly. This blog has nothing to do with Christ. In fact all of Pat's postings are anathema to Christ's memory.
ReplyDeleteSpilling the beans is anathema to the brotherhood!
Delete16.36 Part of what you say I agree with. The blog has lost focus especially when eygits start mud slinging and calling he s she s
ReplyDeleteLook at when theres loads of comments how much are real and how much are slop. Go asey on pat though. Though he may seem to concentrate more on tearing down rather than building up, his heart is in the right place
On Armistice Day, what a paucity of imagination, vision, commentary, sensitivity and reflection! This blog is dominated by crap, its chief in command, smutty, empty and slutty, with a huge cohort. Blind leading the blind. As for Magna, MMM - enough said!! Emptiness personified.
ReplyDelete@19:54; What a paucity of vision, imagination, sensitivity, compassion and leadership from so many ‘shepherds’ in the Catholic Church. Where might they be leading their sheep? You’d have to wonder!
DeleteOnly sayin’ like!
19.54: I agree with you but that's what this nasty blog has descended into. Sadly. There is no authenticity about the commentary. It's all about tearing people apart. While I agree that TRUTH is a core principle for JUSTICE, the semi porno graphics, gossip, innuendo and hearsay are a travesty of both TRUTH and JUSTICE.
DeletePat, you are right that many in the so-called gay community want nothing to do with you. That's because we know what homophobia looks and sounds like and your particular brand of self-loathing, other-hating, anti-gay rhetoric is nothing new.
ReplyDeleteGrow up you fool!
Delete21.14
DeleteYour type of reasoning is the whole point of this blog. Too precious to criticise; yet in reality the gays must accept their blame, just as much as must the heterosexuals. Their is no immunity for responsibility.
21.24 you nailed it!
Delete21.36: Heed this advice yourself Pat - GROW UP..
ReplyDeletePat, GROW UP. GROW UP. GET PAST YOUR VINDICTIVE, NASTY, VENGEFUL STATE OF MIND AND HEART. YOU'D BE A MUCH BETTER HUMAN BEING EFFECTING REAL CHANGE AND RENEWAL IF YOU BEHAVED MORE MATURELY AND WITH A DEEPER CHRISTIAN SPIRIT.
ReplyDeletePat,
ReplyDeleteI often disagree with some of the tone on this website. I struggle with it, because so many of the discussions speak of very real issues and concerns from an Pobal Dé - a voice that simply is not listened to in any meaningful way at any level of Church. Despite some of the tone lacking charity, I so appreciate the space for voices to be heard.
This story touches me a lot. I'm gay (openly so, and active in the gay community) but was called to religious life 12 years ago (I'm celibate, and under no circumstances am I now embarrassed of my sexuality). My sexuality is part of who I am but only a part.
I have experienced much less discrimination and prejudice as a Christian who is gay, than I did coming out as a Christian in the gay community. One of my saddest experiences in Belfast was being verbally abused in a well known gay bar when I told a guy that I was Christian. It was like I'd murdered his granny!!
My sexuality just is... it does not make us intrinsically bad (or disordered!!). But neither does it make me intrinsically good! I'm blessed to be gay and Christian. My sexuality gives me a unique way to pastor to others, and my faith allows me to accept, understand and integrate my sexuality with my identity in God.
The sooner we can accept that there are good and bad in any group, and in any person we will be a much more civilised and healthy society. I'm just not sure we ever will