Wednesday, 1 June 2016

BLOG RETURNING TO OPEN COMMENTS

BLOG RETURNING TO OPEN COMMENTS




Having listened to the messages from regular contributors to this Blog I have decided that the blog should once again have totally open comments.

Thank you all for your support and advice on this matter.

I took the step of restricting comments after I found that the Blog was being bombarded with up to 500 comments a day that were repetitive, abusive, obscene and even in some cases personally threatening. 

As one commentator said - these nasty comments were coming from what he / she called THE GAY TALIBAN.




Most gay people are good, rational, intelligent and loving men and women. 

But there is indeed a NASTY RUMP in the so called Gay Community and this rump is the loudest and gets everybody else a bad name. 

I am an openly gay man myself living in a civil partnership. I support gay rights. I have been celebrating gay blessing for 30 years. 

I have resolutely refused to buy Asher's Bakery products since they refused to bake a cake for a gay occasion and have told many shops why I am not buying these products.

Some of the most wonderful people I have met in my life are gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. I treasure my friendships with them.

But of course in every "community" and sector of society you get the ass holes. Gay ass holes damage the cause of gay equality.

:-)


I do get the odd negative comment from right wing Catholics and Christians. But they are entitled to their opinions - once they are not hateful.

In any event I am not going to let this Blog and its supporters be circumscribed by extremists of any hue.

COMMENTS are now completely open again :-)

As for the nut cases ????     DELETE, DELETE, DELETE :-)




70 comments:

  1. Old guys like me cannot handle all this tech-no-pop-ology!
    Bishop, we disagree on a host of subjects - nevertheless - good to have you back.
    Pip

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  2. As I have said elsewhere I disagree with many - if not most of your theories - but since I - at seventy-nine - have difficulty with technology, I am happy that things are back to normal!
    I disagree with you on Asher's! Conscience is supreme for all of us - for you, Bishop - and for Asher's bakery. I support them.
    Pip.
    I and Armagh Sam believe that you should refuse to publish any comments containing even what is considered MILD bad language and abusive criticisms!!'
    Pip

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    1. Pip, I respect your opinions.

      But how would you feel if Ashers refused to make a cake for someone because they were black, or a woman, or a Muslim or Jew?

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    2. Bishop, I would be appalled if they did such a thing.
      Question is - have they done so?
      I cannot believe that they would refuse to make a cake for a Muslim, Jew or suchlike!
      Pip
      Do you have evidence that the have done so!
      I believe that were they to do such a thing they would be in exponentially more trouble than they are in now!
      They are not Klu Klux Klan types
      Pip

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    3. No, I have no evidence that they would do such a thing.

      My point is - Is it ever right to discriminate against people on the basis of their race, creed, skin colour, sexual orientation or ability / disability?

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    4. Even Peter Thatchell who is about as nutty as gay campaigners get has said he hopes they win. Even he can see the affect them losing this gay will have on wider society (including gay people). The whole case is a major embarrassment to the Quality Commission. They wish they had never supported the complaint in the first place.

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    5. I must say that I like Peter Thatchell and do not regard him as a nut at all.

      He was a campaigner when it was really hard to put your head above the water.

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  3. MourneManMichael1 June 2016 at 10:06

    Thanks for returning to open comments Pat.
    I absolutely agree you should simply delete the inane comments of all persuasions.
    Deprivation of the oxygen of publicity will cause them to go elsewhere, for, like immature children, it's attention they crave.
    Don't take their bilge in any way personal, in fact delete rather than read as soon as the tenor of their missive becomes clear.
    Just as 'the poor we will always have with us', so too the infantile.
    MMM

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    1. Thank you MMM. I was worried about where MMM was :-)

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  4. Hi Pat Sorry hear you had to filter so much sh*t. Perhaps it goes with the territory. Maybe its worth keeping a folder. Threats etc need to go to Police

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    1. I am keeping a complete folder and have handed recent comments to the authorities.

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  5. Thanks for returning to the old ways Pat, I was having terrible trouble posting. Just delete delete delete the problems, you will always have the support from your regular followers.
    Sticks and stones may break your bones, but names will never hurt you....as MMM has said they are children!!!

    Molly Malone

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  6. Once again Pat shows himself to be not only behind the RC Church and society but now even the gay movement. The Asher case is an embarrassment. Even the extremist gay rights campaigners like Peter Thatchell have said the case shouldn't have been taken and is on the side of Ashers Bakeries. The problem with Pat is he has no logical thought. Even as a gay man I can see that an Ashers loss will have repercussions (even on the gay community).

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    1. I do not believe that any business should discriminate on the grounds of race, colour, creed, sexual orientation, disability etc.

      It's interesting to note that you think discrimination against gay people is good?

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  7. Pat can delete, delete, delete but he won't be able to do that when he is confronted at gay Pride this year. We will have placards with select quotes from his blog for him to explain to 10,000 people.

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    1. I have only attended Gay Pride ONCE in my lifetime.

      Its not my thing.

      But I hope you and the other 9,999 enjoy it.

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  8. Instead of running away Pat, why don't you try addressing the comments of gay people - at least try to defend your homophobia!

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    1. I do not and am not running away.

      Is it homophobia to say that there are good rational gay people and not so good irrational gay people.

      Is that not reality?

      Or does just being gay make you automatically good and rational?

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  9. Pat can bash the RC church. But he would do well to remember he is in Larne oratory at their pleasure

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    1. Misinformed again !

      I am in The Oratory as a result of a High Court case and an agreement registered with the High Court.

      In fairness the diocese did enter mediation with me at the request of Mr Justice Deeney.

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  10. Surely the police will be able to establish the identity of the trolls using forensic cybertechnology? That should put a stop to their abuse.

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  11. Pat - let the "gay mafia" rant and rave all they like. Ignore them and delete them. If needs be call the police.

    Isn't it interesting that the gay taliban took umbrage at your reporting on the exposure (independently of you) of a sexually corrupt priest???

    I disagree with you on Asher's by the way. It was not against gay people but support for gay marriage - something that many Christians of all kinds and types cannot in conscience support. It is a matter of conscience.

    There are hundreds of bakers shops in Belfast that gay man could have gone to to have his cake baked and no one would have batted an eyelid. He picked Ashers. Coincidence? Aye right.

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    1. Anonymous at 13:15, actually, it does seem to have been a coincidence; there was no intent on a showdown.

      As for those "hundreds of bakers shops in Belfast that gay man could have gone to to have his cake baked and no one would have batted an eyelid", how do you know this? Have you ordered "gay wedding" cakes from all of them?

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    2. Why dusnt ashers call themselves a Christian bakery like some hotels have done in England that way they can avoid any difficulties . Ashers seem to do what many Christians do they pick and choose bible passages to suit themselves . Homosexual acts are wrong in the bible , fair enough . Some of ashers bakeries are open on a Sunday . Is this not against Christian teaching ? . The owner of ashers has shaved off his sideburns and his wife wears material of mixed fabrics . Should they not be stoned to death in accordance with the bible ? . They also sell prawn sandwiches and pork sausage rolls . Is this not an abomination? . It seems the ashers need to pay more heed to the bible you can't just pick what suits you

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    3. Maybe they should call themselves an Un-Christian bakery then?

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    4. Wilhelm Wonka, the point is this - there are many bakeries in Belfast who wouldn't have a problem with baking a cake supporting gay marriage.

      Ashers was a "coincidence"? Or was it "accidentally on purpose"?

      And let it be further clear - the issue is not the man's sexuality. The issue is GAY MARRIAGE. Many Christians, of all denominations, cannot in conscience support gay marriage. Therein is the crux of the matter.

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    5. Anonymous at 18:37, the point is how do you know that these bakeries would have no such problem? Do they advertise their willingness in their shop windows? I doubt it. So how was the guy who ordered from Asher's
      the so-called "gay wedding cake" to know the owner's stance on gay
      marriage without actually going into the shop and ordering the cake?
      You're giving the man too much (extra-sensory?) credit. The visit to that shop on that day was a coincidence. Nothing more.

      As for supporting gay marriage, Ashers weren't being asked to support gay marriage, but to bake a cake for those who did. Nothing more.

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    6. Ashers made speciality cakes with legal graphics. The support ssm graphic was legal.

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    7. Anonn at 06:32, what is your point? What you've said doesn't detract in any way from my comment on Ashers viv a vis gay marriage: they were not being asked to support it, but merely to bake a cake for those who did.

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  12. Indeed. The chances of Dr Hugh Kennedy, as he seems to prefer to be called here,becoming Adm down in Ambrosden Avenue are as high as those of Dawn French. In fact she might be considered first. Vin knows all about the good Doctor!

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    1. Does he know that Dr Kennedy goes "swimming"?

      PP D&C

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    2. Yes, he knows about the swimming.

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  13. I couldn't agree more with the comments about Dr Hugh and Dawn French. If there is one thing that Vinny hates above all else it is bad publicity and the threat of unexploded bombs. As for Big Dr Hugh and swimming...the thought of that big big in speedoes? The mind is boggling, even if those speedeos are purple to match his big belly band!

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  14. When big Shuey used to go for his "swims" at Queen's PEC the changing room used to clear and, when he entered the water, the theme music of Jaws used to play over the tannoy :)

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  15. Well done, +Pat, for not letting these ba... (I mean people) get you down too much.

    It's all systems go again!

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  16. Why do people hate Hugh Kennedy so much? Let's be honest: most of the comments about him on this blog are derogatory. Why?

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    1. Thanks for answering, Anon. at 16:39.

      Some of the commenters refer to him as "swimming". I know I'm as green as a cabbage, but what does this mean?

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    2. Apparently it is Dr Kennedy's favourite chat up line- "Would you like to go swimming"?

      PP D&C

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    3. Kennedy epitomes everything that has made the Catholic priesthood a laughing stock and target of ridicule.

      His parading himself through the streets of London masquerading as a prelate (something he is not and never will be) sums the man up - pathetic.

      He left an almighty mess behind him in Belfast and in any other walk of life he would have got the sack.

      It is a sad statement that this otherwise unemployable man continues to be allowed to disgrace the priesthood.

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    4. Dr Kennedy himself thinks he brings grace and lustre on the presbyterate.

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    5. And that - Anon at 17:10 - illustrates perfectly the full extent of his delusion.

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    6. Why does the Cardinal Archbishop od Westminster concelebrate with him?

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    7. The Cardinal concelebrates with many priests all the time. It is not to be interpreted as a sign of "favour" or being his "pal".

      Westminster Wedgewood.

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    8. Is Vin not silly to concelebrate with "unexploded bombs"?

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    9. Vin, whilst knowing full well who the hirsute cleric is, would pay him scant - albeit polite - regard. He will leave watching Hugh to others trusted with the task.

      WW

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  17. He invites derogation. However, I don't think people "hate" him - angered by him maybe - especially the parishioners of St Peter's Cathedral - a parish he destroyed.

    He also gave great scandal by his behaviour with a certain minstrel.

    Most people are amused at his antics though. He's a delusional buffoon, a pretentious charlatan and an inveterate snob.

    Others are creeped out by his, shall we say, 'full on' approach when he spots an interesting looking creature.

    Very embarrassing to watch his eyes grow stalks and worse to be on the receiving end of his very focused attention.

    A very foolish individual is Hugh - not at all bright.

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  18. You don't be well

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  19. They ripped the heart clean out o' this wee neighbourhood when they tuck ire Dean away, so they did. This wee district hasn't been the same since, so it hasn't.

    I've 46 big grandsons lyin roun my wee house, gittin under my feet day in and day out, so a have. And nat one of them can I git til go a wee message up til the shap, fer til git me a a poun o' sassiges and a bax o' fegs, so a can't.

    46 big lumps o' lads lyin under my feet and I can git no peace so a can't. The only ease I iver gat was when I would say - "here yousins. The big Dean is comin' roun fer is tea so he is". And the wee house would clear right away so it wud.

    Only time I cud git peace. Soon as i mentioned the Dean, it wuz like a stampede o' Brown's cows til' git out the dour so it wuz.

    Bishop Noel Treanor - wait til I git my eyes on 'im - yiz niver think of the poor aul pensioners so yiz don't".

    Big Lily McCoubrey,
    68 Royal Albert St,
    Belfast 12.

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  20. In our cathedral in Westminster our clergy staff are called the College of Chaplins. Each has his own areas of responsibility. While Dr Kennedy would be most unlikely to unseat Canon Tuckwell, the Adm, there are rumours that he has his eye on the position of Precentor. The current Precentor (pro tem) is Fr O Brien. He has responsibility for liturgy,music,choir etc.....the stuff that is right up Fr, sorry Dr Kennedy's street.
    The smart money is not on Dr Kennedy filling that post.
    Vin ain't stupid.

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    1. Isn't it absolutely risible - and a further indication of how far he is up his own jacksy - that HK would consider himself to be in the running for such a position, in the Cathedral of a diocese in which he is a guest???

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    2. Fr please - its chaplains - not chaplins. You are thinking of Charlie Chaplin. Struth!! Mind you, big Hugo ....

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  21. I agree with 17:57. Vin will be the epitome of courtesy with the former Dean of St Peters. But he will have him and everyone else tightly watched. Vincent has plenty only too willing to report in the Archbishops House and they ain't all priests !!

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  22. There is one weakness in all of these comments and that is the extraordinary influence wielded on the Cardinal by his elderly housekeeper Sister Carmel. Theres is the most extraordinary of relationships. From his time as an Auxiliary Bishop "Carm" has been his most trusted adviser, and of course running his household and living in Archbishops House, she has constant access to the boss. Sister Carmel is shown to a seat of honour at all liturgies that Vincent presides over, surrounded by sycophantic flunkies bowing and scraping, knowing how much "soft power" she has. What is beyond doubt is that Sister Carmel exerts an extraordinary influence over him. If Big Hughy wishes to have preferment in Westminster he should befriend Carmel - perhaps invite her for tea at The Ritz? Allegedly he is wealthy enough to afford the 50.00 per head! Watch this space. Its not Fr Jones that Dr Kennedy should be grooming, he should be trying the ladies!

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    1. Carmel sister, another nun, lives there too. Vinnie is lucky to have twm mammies looking after him.

      However I'm not sure Hugh has a way with two matrons?

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    2. Carmel sister, another nun, lives there too. Vinnie is lucky to have twm mammies looking after him.

      However I'm not sure Hugh has a way with two matrons?

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    3. Sr Carmel would never be taken in by the likes of Hugh Kennedy. Her protectiveness alone, of Vin, would ensure that Kennedy be kept - at the very least - at barge pole distance. Westminster Wedgewood.

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  23. Aren't there a good number of Dr Kennedys around? The priesthood always does attract men who can't survive elsewhere for one reason or another. Vin is another type of this, a controlling bully who instils only fear into other people and only thinks of himself. The stories were legion here in Birmingham of people he screwed over when Archbishop, and of course under his watch the archdiocese continued to pay a pension to a prolific child abuser.
    I don't think for an instant the relationship with his housekeeper is sexual, since he lacks the maturity and depth necessary for that. She's a mother figure merely.
    That said I would love it if the rumours stopped the poison dwarf from moving on to the white.
    PP Birmingham

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    1. Not a snowball's chance in Hell of Vin becoming Pope. He'll die in Westminster and be buried in the Cathedral with his predecessors.

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    2. Pat, thanks for reopening your page and ignore the head cases. I would miss your blog for its sheer entertainment value and the wit of some of the contributors. Btw - any sightings of the big Dallat boyo at any of the NI HMP's? Did he get the job?

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    3. Apparently its still under discussion and review.

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  24. The thought of the day when both Big Cormac and Vin would be lying side by side in the Crypt at Westminster Cathedral fills me and many others with much amusement.
    PP Southwark

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    1. And the saddest thing is that Vinnie must have thought of that too. I wonder what his thoughts are on the account his faith tells him he will have to render to God...
      'I always ensured nothing came in the way of my ambition, Lord'?
      The real reason for the mess and scandal in the church is people don't actually believe and certainly don't fear God.
      Vinnie mark my words, the way you treat others will backfire on you.

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  25. Pat.
    I'm a recent addition to your following on this blog. I was only alerted to it by another priest here when the stories about Hugh Kennedy coming to Westminster started to appear. I know for fact that many other priests here now tune into you for a laugh. The fact that our esteemed AB gets the odd rub adds to the fun.
    Speaking of the aforementioned Dr Kennedy it seems he is no stranger to the coffee shops and patisseries on Brompton Road, Knightsbridge. He will rub shoulders with better quality Catholics there ( mainly devotees of The Oratory) and will be able I am sure to advise them on the quality of the cakes and buns they are eating. And if what I hear is true not a piece of humble pie in sight!!
    PP Westminster

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    1. Well now.... just so long as the cakes tickling Dr K's lips weren't baked by Ashers! God forbid. I mean - the Ashers are Reformed Presbyterians after all.....

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  26. Ah, good to see that this blog has returned to two of my favourite people - Card Vinny, and Dr Hugh !

    They have one great similarity, namely their unbouded ambition for themselves. ++ Vin probably does hanker afer a bigger job in Rome, even the top one, and Dr Hugh still thinks that he has a lot to offer and will have his eyes firmly set on some preferment in Westminster.

    I do not detect much love for ++ Vinny in the comments. It's not surprising. He is a cold fish. He will be all over you if you are going to be useful to him, but once your use is at an end he will just look straight through you. I know this from his time in Birmingham. I'm not sure his judgement is that great either. One of the more significant clergy abuse cases straddled his time in Birmingham - namely Father Bede (Alexander) Walsh. He was found guilty of child pornography, but ++ Vin was at pains to emphasis that this was at the lesser, vanilla, end of the spectrum and in his public statement was at pains to thanks Father Walsh for all good service he had given. And then a few years later Father Walsh was sent to prison for a considerable time (something like 18 years, and he is currently still there) for very serious offences against youngsters while at Cotton College. Arrogantly, he refused to accept any responsibility and ensured that the victims were dragged through the court and made to relive everything. His right in law, I guess, but an indication of his arrogance and self-centredness. Surely ++ Vin should have realised that the first offencess were an indicator of a deeper malaise and worse to come, and avoided minimising what Fr Walsh had done ?

    I'm not sure ++ Vin is well loved in Westminster. He is very plausible and comes across well in the media, but on a one to one I think he is very cold, calculating and has his eye on what this person, or this situation, can do for him and his overaching ambition. I'd be interested to hear a different perspective, if there is one, from Westminster.

    Dr Hugh is just a posturing, self-important, and self-deluded twat ! The embarrassing sight of him wandering around the streets of London in ersatz episcopal colours and dress ! Does anybody know what work / ministry he actually is going ? Or he is just like a gentleman priest, akin to Mgr Gilby, self-sufficient financially and just able to use the priesthood as a vehicle for his own enjoyment and entertainment? Although, I think Gilby was a bit more serious that Dr Hugh. I am really surprised that Westminster took in Dr Hugh. Perhaps + Treanor was calling in a favour ?

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    1. MourneManMichael2 June 2016 at 12:31

      Wonderfully descriptive of Kennedy, only bettered by Anon on 1/6@16:49....delusional buffoon, pretentious charlatan and inveterate snob!
      Never met him, but had I Gerald Scaife artistic ability, the wonderful cartoon in my minds eye would be priceless.
      MMM

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    2. At least the Cardinal has some ability - Hughie has none.

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    3. Well, like Mgr Gilbey, Dr Hugh has "an eye for young men of the right kind". And he does use the priesthood for his own enjoyment and entertainment.

      However, it is written of Alfred Gilbey in his obituary in The Independent: "Alfred Gilbey was a man of regular and moderate habits; of elegance and charm; of wit and wisdom; of precision and contentment; of holiness and spiritual contentment. He was probably more widely loved than any Catholic priest of modern times" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/obituary-monsignor-alfred-gilbey-1152936.html.

      On all the above counts, there are no similarities to HK who scores a great big ZERO.

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  27. Regarding the two Westminster Cardinals mouldering together when they are dead and gone? That presupposes that Vincent will lie in his current Cathedral. Would the crypt of St Peter's not be more fitting? Even if this most ambitious of Prelates does not get to wear the white cassock, he may well be entitled to be buried there if and when he moves to Rome as the Prefect for the Congregation of the Laity. By the way there is no love lost between any of these buffoons. Not Nichols for Murphy O Connor and vice versa and not Murphy O Connor for his predecessor but one Cardinal Heenan. When being shown various positions for his tomb recently he was pointed towards a vacant slot beside the tomb of Cardinal Heenan. "Oh no" says he " we couldn't stand each other in life, I don't want to be beside him for eternity!"

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