Wednesday, 24 May 2017

THE BYRNE / JONES ORDINATIONS

When Michael Jack "Gorgeous" Byrne and Sean "King Puck" Jones are being ordained in the near future the ordaining bishop will ask the following question during the ceremony and before ordaining them:



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Presentation of the Candidate

When the candidate is in his place before the bishop, the priest designated by the bishop says: 

Most Reverend Father, holy mother Church asks you to ordain this man, our brother, for service as priest.

The bishop says: Do you judge him to be worthy?

He answers: After inquiry among the people of Christ and upon recommendation of those concerned with his training, I testify that he has been found worthy.

Election by the Bishop and Consent of the People

13.  Bishop: We rely on the help of the Lord God and our Savior Jesus Christ, and we choose this man, our brother, for priesthood in the presbyteral order.


All present say: Thanks be to God.


WHO WILL THE BYRNE / JONES PRIEST BE?

If Gorgeous is ordained in The Irish College in Rome the priest answering the bishop (probably Diarmuid) will probably be the rector of the Irish College - Monsignor O'Carroll, a Dublin priest and a favourite of Diarmuid's.

If ordained in Dublin's Pro Cathedral the priest will be the administrator of the Pro Cathedral - a friend of Gorgeous', a priest from Archbishop's House or one of the Maynooth / Irish College staff.

If King Puck is ordained in Kerry the priest could be Fanny Mullaney of Maynooth or a priest of Kerry.


"AFTER ENQUIRY AMONG THE PEOPLE OF GOD"

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The People of God are the people of the Archdiocese of Dublin / Diocese of Kerry, the people of Ireland, the people of Maynooth and indeed the readers of this Blog.

Which of those people will have received an enquiry from anyone as to whether or not Michael Byrne or Sean Jones are WORTHY of being ordained a priest?

The only ones whose "opinions" may have been asked would be Mullaney, Collins and Prior of Maynooth and O'Carroll and his fellow staff of the Irish College.

The PEOPLE OF GOD will have NO INPUT into the decision to ordain / not ordain.

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This so called ENQUIRY will be a complete and total charade.

We are even told that the Seminary Council at Maynooth once told Diarmuid Martin that Gorgeous was not suitable and Diarmuid over ruled them and told them to take him back.


"WE RELY ON THE HELP OF THE LORD GOD AND OUR SAVIOUS JESUS CHRIST AND WE CHOOSE THIS MAN, OUR BROTHER, FOR THE PRESBYTERAL ORDER".

Really?

Has anyone - archbishop, bishop, monsignor, priest etc actually sat in front of the Blessed Sacrament and said to Jesus: "Jesus, should I ordain N..... Please guide me"?

I seriously doubt it.

So, instead of the people responding: "THANKS BE TO GOD" maybe they should be responding:

"OH! MY GOD"!


You see the RC Church (and other churches" have departed from the tradition of the Apostolic and early Christian Church where a man was put forward for ministry by the agreement and consent of the whole gathered church - the TRUE PEOPLE OF GOD.

The Catholic Church has become a HIERARCHY and a CLERICAL CLUB and the whole raison d'etre of that hierarchy and clerical club is the preservation and furtherance of the hierarchy and club.

The so called PEOPLE OF GOD are called upon to:

Pay up!

Pray up!

Shut up!

The CHURCH TAIL is now firmly wagging the CHURCH DOG!

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The episcopate / priesthood is now an ecclesiastical mafia. The "dons" decide who can join, who can do well, who has to go etc.

The People of God are merely a paying audience who watch the main characters play out the comedies, tragedies, dramas, horrors and love stories on the stage which is raised above audience level.

The shepherds are wolves in sheep's clothing inviting new wolves into the pack to go and ravish the sheep.

The shepherd are not true shepherds after the mind of Christ.  

They are false shepherds entering by the back door!

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PRIESTS BEHIND MASKS

And we are being asked to view future ordinations as the WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT" and the sending of WORKERS INTO THE LORD'S VINEYARD. 



As my deceased father used to say:

"Pull the other one. There's bells on it"!



60 comments:

  1. A Sad Catholic25 May 2017 at 00:12

    Pat, you really have an obsession with these young men and their ordinations. Leave it to those appointed to make such decisions and don't give yourself an ulcer. They will answer for their decisions right or wrong before God. So sleep well and leave the decisions to those competent to make them.

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    1. I have no obsession.

      I am trying to challenge wrong.

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    2. You are swimming against the tide. It is clear from parishioner’s reaction to Rory Coyle the Sin of Sodom is not so sinful these days, its down there with not eating fish on Fridays, and certainly not enough to inhibit ordinations. Not in the slightest.

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    3. We don't know whether Rory ever engaged in either heterosexual or homosexual sodomy of course?

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    4. Bishop Pat, do not be put off by these critics of yours. What you are doing is good and necessary. Men such as Byrne and Jones should not be ordained.Those who either ordain them, or approve their ordination, are morally, spiritually and intellectually unfit to hold office in the Church.

      I have nothing but praise for the work you do.

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    5. Thank you.

      The more flack you get the more you realise you are on the right track.

      You should see the comments I get that I do not publish.

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    6. I am sure they’ll be fine now they have sown their wild oats. Also, they have probably both obtained absolution and/or undergone some sort of defagmentation therapy before the rite of ordination. Family and friend’s thoughts should now be focused on appropriate gifts to be given following their ordination into the priesthood.

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    7. @ 00:12 you gave me the biggest laugh of the day when you said "competent". LOL!!

      So they say that Byrne was a boxer, well I tell you now I will personally box the head of him and that kerry clown if I ever see them within an inch of my kids! Collar or no collar...

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  2. Whats the meaning of your late father's (rip) motto? :-)

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    1. It means: Pull the other leg. Theres bells on it.

      In other words: Are you kidding me?

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  3. I think Pat's Dad meant to quote the famous tennis player "you can not be serious" I agree also much liturgy has become a play like a Shakespeare comedy or tragedy. There is I think very little enquiring done among the people these days. Commercial interests run the wedding industry. People pay a fortune. Some would see the ceremony as a day on stage but I doubt the would use that terminology

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  4. I think maybe the more modern twist is

    "Pull the other one I know its got BALLs on"

    Your so right the RC only looks after those who play the game. This week I've been working hard lets say with the sick. Not one priest in sight, I was asked by some 3 days ago for communion and so I made the referral. As of today they are still hungry and I have referred again. Potentially they will die without their wish. Before anyones asks why didn't I bring communion to them, well there's many reasons the main one, not being part of their team,

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    1. Sorry, Big Hank, the correct version would be "You're so right.." Nice to get your valued viewpoint.

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    2. BH You are part of the real team. Seems subscribing to this particular club is not worth the subscription

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    3. @12:13 - the correct version of your sentence is as follows:

      "Sorry Big Hank, the correct version is, 'You're so right..'".

      The use of 'would' as a modal verb doesn't work in your sentence. And, of course, there is the perennially absent full stop and comma, not to mention the superfluous comma at the start of the sentence.

      Keep up the good work Big Hank.

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    4. @14.13. Hey man! No need to go way over top. I'm happy enough so rein it in.

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    5. Sorry Sean I dont quite get your drift

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    6. @15:25 if you're happy enough to lend your support to the halfwit who continues to correct the grammar of others but repeatedly gets it wrong him/herself, then that's between you and @12:13. As far as I am concerned, s/he is fair game!

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  5. They are seriously short of manpower and will take anyone. Priests have always been in gay/heterosexual relationships, people just turned a blind eye. I remember going into a pub out of my locality 25 years ago and seeing my local curate holding hands with a lady friend I pretended not to see him, he pretended not to see me and left shortly afterwards. No one cares.

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    1. 11.58 You are right "and the world turns..." Ironically thats the name of a silly american soap show if Im not mistaken

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  6. I am sorry to say Anonymous @11:58 they will only take who they want not who the Lord may want.
    Fair play to the curate I just wish he was stronger to walk away and live a life as God intended us to do as sexual beings. It's been alright for the non RC churches for time as long as I can discover. The Pucks and the Gorgeous of this world only live in lies which will bring them down quicker than this blog I feel.

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    1. But should everyone just walk away rather than challenge from within? For me, I was greatly influenced by Hans Küng's book, "The Church", in which he argues that disagreement with doctrine does not require a Catholic to walk away from the Church. The extremists that sometimes comment on the blog imagine a simplistic Magisterium where a pithy line in a dicastery instruction etc ends all debate. I think that for those who do not take such a view, there is no requirement to walk away.

      Mind you, I don't think it applies to the Deacon situation. But for another priest looking at more of a relationship than a quick sexual encounter, I cannot say that I would expect him to leave at all.

      TRS

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  7. I am sorry to say Anonymous @11:58 they will only take who they want not who the Lord may want.
    Fair play to the curate I just wish he was stronger to walk away and live a life as God intended us to do as sexual beings. It's been alright for the non RC churches for time as long as I can discover. The Pucks and the Gorgeous of this world only live in lies which will bring them down quicker than this blog I feel.

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  8. You really are flogging a dead horse with this blog. Pitiful and embarrassing.

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    1. I'm afraid the horse is very much alive and rampant.

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  9. You're relentless fixation with these young men is bordering on the obsessive. Do you or any of your sad blog contributors intend attending these two Ordinations? If so, let us know, plans are in place anyhow to have any troublemakers thrown out before they can get near any of the venues. You will be run out of town and made to be a laughing stock.

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    1. My understanding is that protests by various groups are planned. I will not be attending.

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    2. There should be no unnecessaryness.

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  10. Some Seminarians hauled in by Maynooth Staff over a confrontation on this blog a few days ago. It also follows a nasty confrontation between a number of Seminarians that nearly came to blows. Your name Pat was shouted all over the place. The trouble you do cause and stir.

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    1. I know. I had a very distressed call from one person involved.

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  11. What happened? I bet the cissies handbaged each other and had their nails at the ready or should I say (claws).

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    1. Apparently it started in a corridor and more got involved.

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    2. Would this be the same corridor they use to pick each other up?

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  12. A big pussy bitch fight. Screaming and yelling and flamboyant . God help the Church.

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    1. Thanks Happy Harry for reinforcing outdated stereotypes of gay men. Totally not homophobic! It's good to see a commentator stuck in 1962 having no truck with this modern nonsense of 2017.

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  13. 15.12 No smoke without 🔥. What on earth is going onu

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    1. ... and you cannot have a fire without it being properly laid.

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  14. Buckley stop stirring it and causing rows between people. What went on has been exaggerated, a few angry words were exchanged and nothing else. Your name Buckley is total mud here so wind your neck in, Ordinations are going ahead and Maynooth lives well and truly on. We'll have a gin for you later on and the usual damn good laugh about you and your crap blog you saddo.

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  15. Where is the dignity and discipline which one would reasonably expect from final year students?

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  16. I couldn't care less if I never spelt a word or used a punctuation mark in the right or wrong way.
    It's a total waste of time for you to try an correct me as to be honest I really do not care.
    I care more about matters of the heart and soul. English grammer / language is never going to benefit me to the extent that you seem to get an orgasm from it Mr/Mrs/Miss
    Nameless anonymous @ 12:15.
    Or maybe is it that you get upset by the misuse of the English, if this is the case then

    I DO FEEL TRULY SORRY FOR YOU IN THE SAD WORLD THAT YOU HAVE CREATED FOR YOURSELF. YOU SHOULD TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT MAYBE GETTING OUT MORE WOULD BE A START.

    Not that you'll want it but I cannot resist offering at least one prayer for anonymous @ 12:15.

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    1. Either that Hank, or the person is just doing a fair and correct job for the blog.

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    2. @18:18 afraid not - the moron who makes the your/you're correction needs to read Swan's Practical English Usage because their own grasp of grammar is decidedly weak. They point out the speck in the eye of the other while ignoring the beam in their own eye. So no, no fair job is being done and very definitely no correct job is being done!

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    3. Please do not use bullying descriptions such as "moron" on this blog. Thank you.

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  17. Gardai interviewed a student this afternoon.

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  18. The Gardai are not involved, stop making up outlandish tales. It wasn't that serious!

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  19. 17.30 Somebody brought a charge or this was done as a scare tactic to quieten the mob. In the old days some of the collared fraternity had uniformed friends. The order of the day I imagen is damage limitation.

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  20. Nearly a year after the Maynooth scandal seminarians are fighting in the corridor, being pulled in by staff and being interviewed by the Gardai.

    And they say Gaynooth has changed.

    Still "strange goings on'.

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    1. The inmates are still running the asylum!

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    2. I am really seriously (I mean really seriously) hoping that your information on the Gardai interview was based on something other than an anonymous comment @17.30. Please say it is so, please!

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  21. The Gardai are NOT involved, that is just a scurrilous rumour posted at 17.30. So much false information on here.

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    1. Ok. Who sorted out the dispute then?

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  22. The dispute is being dealt with by Staff, it was a heated argument which was not serious and no laws were broken. People are stressed and tense right now for a number of reasons and it's not helped by you or anyone else stirring things up.

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    1. Part of the problem is Gorgeous, who is not a Maynooth seminarian, being on the 2017 class piece.

      Will he also be on the Rome one?

      Gorgeous Pio - two places at one time.

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    2. DM did not know he was going on the Maynooth 2017 class piece! He is not a happy puppy.

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    3. 20:58 that is untrue.

      Pat- All seminarians go on the Maynooth class piece who are in that year. There is nothing strange about it. Rome does not have one. It also has other deacons from Rome on it and there are also deacons from orders on it too. Stop spreading malicious lies.

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    4. 20.51 Strange that people are stressed and tense This should be a time of joy peace and celebration. The sh*t can't be all Pat's fault no matter what anyone says

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    5. @Sean Page
      Absolutely, of course the stress and tension isn't Pat's fault.
      Could there be exams in May at Maynooth? - That would be an obvious source.
      That said, I have been struck by how stressy Oscott is - for no reason than that people are put under unnecessary tension. I have seen an Oscott seminarian seriously express the belief that he would be dismissed for exceeding the word count on an essay!
      If Maynooth operates the same climate of continual fear (although it sounds like it's also way more dramatic than Oscott) it is bound to be a stressful and tense place.
      Add in to the equation a number of other things - the conflict between students and the sexual frustration bound to be experienced by any young men attempting to live a celibate life for starters - and you have a recipe for an awful place!
      Perhaps seminary's main lesson is how to grin and bear shit while quietly going off your head?

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    6. The poster at 22. 55 has summed up the issues involved very well. Couldn't have explained it better myself. My belief is that Seminaries exist to break a person, especially emotionally and psychologically. The scrutiny that now exists within Seminaries is unreal, quite a few look back nowadays and genuinely ask, "How the hell did I survive that pig sty"? Not helped by having dysfunctional staff who shouldn't be let anywhere near human beings let alone a Seminary.

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  23. Maybe it's the university of Limericks fault
    Whistleblowers being demonised
    Oops I forgot it's Gaynooth university
    Are all universities corrupt ???????????
    Just asking

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