CHAUCER HAD MONKS AND CLERGY IN A SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL - UP THE DEVIL'S "A WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT"!
I had never read Chaucer and did not know about this story of hell until I was informed of it by the PP of Monasterboice.
Chaucer was able to use his talent in order to talk of the corruption within the Church. He most famously wrote of a friar, who having been accompanied down to hell by an angel commented with pleasure that he could not see any other friars there, assuming that there all in heaven. The angel was very quick to correct him on that assumption so he got a hold of Satan and…
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| A FRIAR EXITING THE DEVIL'S YOU KNOW WHAT |
“Hold up thy tail Satanas said he
Show forth thine and let the friar see
Where is the most of friars in this place!
And ere that half a furlong way of space
Right so as bees come swarming from the hive,
Out of the devil’s arse began to drive
Twenty thousand friars in a route.
And throughout hell they swarmed all about
And came again as fast as they may gone
And in his arse they crept in every John.
PAT SAYS:
This blog deals a lot with all of the various corruptions by priests, bishops, archbishops, cardinals, and popes.
Corruption by clergy is as old as religion.
In the old days if you complained about this corruption the pope would send armies of soldiers and monks to sort you out in a dungeon or on the rack in the torture chamber.
These days, of course, things have changed, and thanks to more people being educated and the media the clergy corruption can be exposed to millions at a time.
Of course, the clergy and the Church still have their subtle influence in all kinds of places.
But they do not have the stranglehold, including in Ireland and they did have.
Bishops are now regarded as cover-uppers of abuse and scandal and in some cases to be squandering money and taking women. men. priests or seminarians to bed.
The clerical collar is also the sign of the pedophile.
Even Pope Francis these days is sullied as a liar and a cover-upper.
We must all try and bring these guys to justice in this world.
But it is comforting to know that those we don't catch will not only end up in hell - but up the Devil's Jacksie in hell :-)
ank you, as always, for your support. Mary McGowan
ReplyDeleteTheology at the Pub Title: “Is Gay Ok? The catholic Church and
same sex attraction.”
Speaker: David Donaghue When: Tues 25th September at 8pm.
Where: The Hand and Heart Pub, Derby Rd, just up from the
Cathedral (in the upstairs room). David is a seminarian training
for the priesthood at Oscott Seminary in Birmingham. His thesis is
on same sex attraction. All are welcome, just turn up, free entry
(though the pub appreciate it if you buy a drink!) More details
on our website: http://www.theologyinthepub.uk
No idea who Donaghue is, but good for him that he is opening up honest discussion. It is hardly an issue unknown at Oscott anyway, so let’s just stop pissing around.
DeletePlanned Evenings
DeleteTuesday 24 September 2018, 8pm
Is Gay OK? The Catholic Church and Same Sex Attraction
Speaker: David Donaghue, Seminarian at Oscott, whose thesis is on Same Sex Attraction
Location: Hand and Heart, Nottingham
After he presents his thesis (unless it tows a stict doctrinal line), I suspect that David may become an ex-seminarian.
DeleteHe should be more circumspect, cos (unless his thesis tows...) what he proposes to do constitutes open rebellion.
Anyhow, what did you say about drinks? 😛
Magna darling, there is a rumour on Bishop Buckley's blog that you have put me in a home! Stand up for mummy, darling, and tell them I've just been to the Eucharistic Congress. I had a lovely chat with the Cardinal, but strangely when I let slip I'm your mum he ran away!
ReplyDeleteNow do hurry up, dear, you're due at work at 9 and pots and public conveniences don't clean themselves!
Mommie dearest, I scotched that ugly rumour as soon as it appeared on this blog yesterday. Couldn't you find your reading glasses?
DeleteAs for those pots and places, I'm afraid, dearest, you'll have to empty your own chamber pot today, as I'm, well, slightly indisposed. (Hic)
And yes, that pot has indeed become a sort of public convenience, because you've brought most of the male population home at one time or another.
So many uncles I had. (Or was told so by you,) But so commensurately few birthday presents!😡 I could never make sense of that.
Anyhow, stop guzzling so much Prosecco at night. You know it's a powerful diuretic (makes you pee more).
The sight of your...slopping around inside and over that over-full chamber pot is not a sight for my bloodshot eyes. 😫
What did you do to him?
ReplyDeleteFunny that's not what u said in a phone conversation, u said and I quote james mcConnell has nothing to do with me what so ever
ReplyDeleteSo u stane by him and his harassment of people that have nothing what soever to do with the catholic church making false claims about them and using your name in them?because if this is the case the people he is writing will hold u in as much blame as him.
ReplyDeleteAAARCHBISHOP BUNNY LONGLEY
ReplyDeleteBishop Bernard Longley and Westminster: Yes, of course. FR Antony Conlon, notoriously camp at the English College, Rome, is now PP at Goring in B L's diocese of Birmingham. They were jolly pals in Rome.
ARCHBISHOP BUNNY LONGLEY
ReplyDeleteBishop Bernard Longley and Westminster: Yes, of course. FR Antony Conlon, notoriously camp at the English College, Rome, is now PP at Goring in B L's diocese of Birmingham. They were jolly pals in Rome.
They sound a right pair of screamers.
DeleteIndeed curious given that Conlon is a Westminster priest, though Westminster never knew what to do with him, so he has long gravitated to the Reading area. Don’t think he and Longley could have crossed in Rome as Conlon was only there later to study Church history ie the history of ecclesiastical tat. His support base has always been the Knights of Malta, on the strength of which he likes to be addressed and naturally dresses as Monsignor. Sorry this is boring for Irish readers, though Conlon does originally hail from Dublin, where he began life as a bell boy, but nobody would know from the accent he cultivates today. I think he is fairly harmless, just ridiculous. Longley may just be a bit more sympathetic towards him than the steely and unforgiving Vin. Does the porker have any Latin, by the way? Much the favourite language of Father - sorry “Monsignor” Antony Francis Maximillian Conlon.
DeleteMany of us on the blog are very interested in what goes on in the land of Vinney and Bunny.
DeleteThank you for that interesting update on Monsignor Conlon.
It seems Vin, Vinny, Vinney, Dandy, and Elsie are all interchangeable names for Nichols.
DeleteI like Elsie best. Where did it originate?
Delete“Monsignor” Conlon sounds very much like the former “Dean” of Belfast. Knights of Malta connections, dressing up like a Monsignor, ridiculous, Lol.
DeleteNot sure about “harmless” though - for there the similarities with Conlon end, as there are allegations of sexual assault against the “Dean” being investigated by the police and he has disappeared off the face of the earth.
The “Dean” did get all breathless and fluttery in the presence of “lovely guys”. Embarrassing to behold.
Observant parishioner.
@09:58
DeleteDandy Nichols was an English actress best known for her role as Elsie, the long-suffering wife of Alf Garnett in the BBC sitcom Till Death Us Do Part.
Back in the Warwick Street days, the Abp was often referred to as Dandy, but my late friend always called her Elsie. You know what gays are like!
He has never been or still referred to as 'Elsie' in a general sense. That night be your own private name for him but it's not used by any others.
DeleteShe had loads of camp names when we went to the Soho Masses. Annie Walker was another one.
DeleteWhat is it about this blog? Commenters are always inferring that if clergy are friends with anyone then they must be in some sort of relationship.
ReplyDeleteYou have called Bill Mulvihill a friend. By that logic the two of you must be at it then.
:-)
DeleteI can assure you that we are not "at it".
PS: There are more ways for a bishop to screw a priest than sexually :-)
DeletePat @9:20. What like a public breakdown on a blog?
DeleteGood morning Pat.
ReplyDeleteA very know and disturbed thug is editing your blog and re-using it on FB for his own agenda.
This guy/ lad does nothing to help your image in the Keady, Middletown and Armagh area's, very much to the point of discrediting it!
If you haven't one family member in your life (even extended family) would you not agree that there is something seriously wrong?
This guy is on a mission with a dirty ending, abusing all along the way.
As the old saying goes "Karma can be a Bastard".
I presume you are referring to James Luke McConnell?
DeleteI am not involved in any way with him apart from occasional telephone calls.
I have no knowledge of his Facebook page and do not read it. I hardly ever look at Facebook.
I do not approve of any form of harassment against anyone and would not like my name associated with it.
Anyone who feels they are being harassed should report it to the authorities and to Facebook.
I have no problems or issues with anyone in South Armagh and have always liked the people there.
I am sorry if anyone is being hurt.
Thank you very much father
Delete09.31: "I do not approve of any form of harrassment against anyone...". Really Pat! Who would have ever thought that? You are so blind to your own horrible, nasty traits in your personality. Your whole life is spent HARRASSING people, clerics particularly. You have very serious intellectual difficulties if you cannot recognise the continual harrassment of your perceived enemies, particularly Archbishop Martin. Pat, get psychiatric help for your moral and spiritual blindness. You are bizarre.
Delete@11.10: The thought cops ie psychiatrists, don’t do moral or spiritual. That’s supposedly the domain of the clergy.,
DeleteThank you Fr Buckley for you open clarity ref James's McConnell.
DeleteSorry, but I always actknodlge my Bishop as Fr, I'm not been disrespectful.
I take it as a most honest and genuine response.
The reality is - I should say TRUTH - Pat will "use" any one with axes to grind to get at the Catholic Church. He never takes RESPONSIBILITY for his own outrageous, mean, un- Christian and disgusting abusing of vulnerable people to prop his own hateful, vengeful agenda. Pat is the supreme manipulator of people. Mulvihill was once a stranger, then suddenly over a few drinks, a liaison is formed which catapulted him (Bill) over the edge because he was encouraged by Pat to wallow in self pity, anger and faux indignation at issues manufactured mainly by himself for himself. Then Pat allowed McConnell participate in nasty harrassment of others on this blog, literally advising him to be a bullying fool. Pat, you too may end up in a tight hole in hell!! Your behaviour and treatment of others is anathema to Christ. Totally.
ReplyDeleteI reported on Luke McConnells battle within the Archdiocese of Armagh. I never prompted him to do anything.
DeleteYou can't know Bill Mulvihill very well. He would never allow anyone to tell him what to do.
PS: Are you a priest?
DeleteHave you something to fear from Bill?
09.45: No Pat, I am not a priest and live in the south. But I've been studying the dynamics on this blog between you and Bill Mulvihill for some time. Psychologically, it's been a weird, strange liaison. Once strangers, now bosom buddies. Similar petulant, obstinate, dangerous traits in your psyche, disregarding all consequences of your words and behaviour, speculation, gossip and nasty invective. I am a Christian and proud of my Catholic tradition and identity. I can distinguish between what I witness at local parish level, which is very positive, and the institutional Church, which sadly is in urgent need of True Christ Renewal. However, your manipulation (often disguised cleverly as advice) of vulnerable people is morally and ethically reprehensible. You lack real insight into your own sinfulness and flaws, so I guess you'll just ignore truthful observations from others. I've no doubt you do some good but your attitude to other so full people is not in keeping with Christ who, while condemning the sin, didn't harass, ridicule or crack apart the offender!
DeleteIreject most of what you say.
DeleteI think that people like you are, unintentionally, enabling all the corruption and abuse.
11.29: Pat, I guessed you wouldn't agree with me at 11.23. TRUTH hurts and you rarely accept your share of blame or responsibilities in downing, ridiculing, harassing and threatening others. You need to get an Oxford dictionary to discover the true meaning of these words. Having studied psychology, your pathology is open to much scrutiny. You very often get judgments wrong, very wrong, never being aware of the consequences of your words of judgment and mockery. You resort to your usual mantra "people like you...." when you are intellectually challenged. You harassed Cardinal Daly, you are harassing Archbishop Martin. You humiliate Cardinal Brady. If I worked alongside you and you used language in the destructive (as distinct from truthful) way you use them and behaved so ruthlessly and arrogantly, I'd have you before a tribunal for bullying. Open your heart. Search your conscience, battered and fractured as it is.
Delete11:23 makes very salient points which, of course, naturally, Pat Buckley rejects because he does not like to hear the truth about himself.
DeleteThere are no surprises in Chaucer or anyone else. Dante too wrote similarly. Human nature is sinful and corrupt and needs God’s grace continually. However, where sin abounds grace does more abound (Rms 5:20).
Pat Buckley also has a fallen nature and the poster at 11:23’s analysis is spot on about his lack of insight into his own motives and behaviour.
The whole business with Bill Mulvihill is simply bizarre and is right up Pat Buckley’s street. It is no surprise that PB is unable to “hear” what 11:23 is trying to convey to him.
@11:23 well said. King Buck’s limp and dismissive response speaks volumes.
DeleteChaucer became one of the greatest figures in English medieval literature. He lived towards the end of the 14th century and was Richard II's court poet. Satire was very much encouraged in Richard's court, so Chaucer was able to use his talent in order to talk of the corruption in the Church. The quote is from The Summoner's Prologue.
ReplyDeleteWhen Richard was overthrown and Henry IV took the throne with the help of Thomas of Arundel, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Chaucer disappeared without a trace. No one knows what happened to him. A cautionary tale, if one believes that satirists of the clergy should beware of powerful archbishops.
His alleged disappearance by the Church was never proven. I suspect it was a rumour put about by certain figures in the Church to emphasise the power and influence of ecclesiatics. In this, apocryphal sense, yes, it was indeed a cautionary tale.
DeleteWikipedia alert
Delete‘...axes to grind to get at the Catholic Church...’. What precisely does that mean?
ReplyDeleteCorruption can be defined as ‘to destroy, ruin, injure, spoil,to break into pieces...’ Thousands of Catholic lives have been shattered through clerical criminality.
What is particularly appalling is the spiritual abuse inflicted on victims of clerical crime. There’s thousands of ‘axes to grind’ but the axes have been handed to the grinders by the clerical criminals and how their superiors covered up their crimes!
09.58 Repetitive narrative, change the record
DeleteIs the narrative too uncomfortable...Is the Holy Spirit pricking your conscience?
Delete@10.30 No, Im just having another long yawn at the same old same old. Excuse me if I go and yawn again.
Delete09.58: Lift the blinkers from your eyes. It's par for the course now for you and your keyboard trolls to condemn all clerics and repeat a narrative that's been ingrained by the media. I suspect you and your family and your friends, neughbours and community were part of the same society that knew what was going on behind high walls but were complicit with both state and society in sending these vulnerable children to such horrible places. There were many whispered conversations as people passed by these places. It's convenient to blame only one part if a bigger picture. What church personnel did by abusing any person was criminal and absolutely wrong, sinful and against the gospel of Christ.
DeleteNo bother...glad to oblige...and guess what..there’s a mountain of more info to follow...! There’s a mountain of beans to be spilled.
Delete@9.58: Most of the trolls and trolling on this blog is done by some members of the clergy.
Delete@13.36 So????
Delete@ 13:55 Is it a new clerical ministry along with cyber evangelization?
Delete@14.07 We will only decide that when you have the facts and evidence to back it all up. Severe lack of this to back up all sorts of weird claims on here. Let us know when you've got the details.
Delete@11.31: Did you ever consider it might be yourself who’s wearing blinkers? I’m not condemning all clerics...you made that remark...the evidence speaks for itself...the media aren’t simply creating or repeating an ingrained narrative. Have a look at reports from Pennsylvania.
DeleteMaybe you’ve been a tad brainwashed listening to a different ingrained narrative yourself...? Most ordinary citizens knew little or nothing about what was going on in catholic run institutions. Some members of the political and professional classes probably knew a lot more about these institutions but most would have been far too deferential to members of the clergy and some were members of catholic fraternities out of self interest and weren’t going to challenge the hierarchical power.They weren’t going to jeopardize their careers, social status, future job prospects..etc.. Don’t be projecting contemporary life in Ireland to the Ireland of 40 or 50 or 60 years ago.
@14.43: What are you going on about?
DeleteAre you in the clerical trolling ministry or are you a clerical cyber evangelist? Give us a clue....go on ... go on ....go on!
15.42: I'm not at all brainwashed by any narrative, from church or media or state establishments. I sift through the rot and spin in all that's presented and discern where THE TRUTH lies. Lots of ordinary citizens knew quite well what was going on in our institutions. Yes, there was a corrupt, unhealthy alliance between church, state, judiciary and law enforcement agencies. I admit that the Church got it very wrong in its "mission" which, sadly, became very corrupted. I scream against wrongs and abuses in my capacity and I ensure you that when I notice any abuse - sexual abuse, bullying, harrassment, prejudice, name calling - I shout loudly. You are right - many public servants were afraid to speak for fear of losing their career prospects. Doesn't that give us an insight into society's norms and thinking? I think your last sentence should read - Is it fair to judge the Ireland of the 30's, 40's, 50's or 60's by contemporary knowledge in psychology and psychiatry, in social, cultural, religious and historical insights? We always look for scape goats: The Church certainly committed heinous crimes but society as a whole didn't really bother too much either. As in any narrative of corruption, abuse, wrongful behaviour, dishonesty, cover ups, both Church and State institutions always run for cover. That I find abhorrent.
Delete➕ Patrick, I’ve read both of your publications. I admire your openness, honesty and integrity. Keep Shinning a light on darkness....I’m Sure it’s the work of the Holy Spirit...Tritiarian love needs no words. May Michael the Archangel protect you!
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@19: 17: Delighted to know you challenge abuse in your capacity and shout loudly when you notice any abuse. What makes you believe lots of ordinary people knew what was going on in our institutions? Who was the dominant force in influencing social norms and thinking ? What do you mean by...’society didn’t bother too much either’. In August 1963 Pope Paul vi was warned that paedophile priests should be removed from active ministry and repeat offenders expelled from the church. The letter was written by Rev. Gerald Fitzgerald the head of the Servants of the Holy Paraclete a religious order based in New Mexico. To suggest the church was on a learning curve is to quote Pope Francis ...’caca’.
DeleteBp. Pat...Fr. Tom Doyle was scape goated by Bishops back in the mid eighties after warning them of the impending clerical abuse crisis.Ears to hear...they were deaf! Sheer unbridled arrogance!
ReplyDeleteThe Lord was the scape goat par excellence...the scape goats...scape goat!
A Model.
Bp Pat...you’re in the best of company!
Messaginger shooting is a human institutional obsessive preoccupation.
Don’t let em get you down.
COMMENTS WITH REGARD MAYNOOTH, PRIESTS, SEMINARIANS
ReplyDeleteI wish to acknowledge the comments with regard Maynooth this morning.
I have already forwarded them to Eamon Martin in Armagh.
Have there been more high jinks, Bp Pat? I wonder.
Delete@10.21: Good for you. God Bless. ��
DeleteIt’s a repetitive narrative because the scale and depth of clerical depravity is far far worse than imagined. Yet in addition to the many victims of criminal abuse, there have been countless millions of ordinary decent people whose lives have been blighted by the vicious hypocrisy and double standards of their so called pastors. A friend’s parents sat at the back of their church for thirty years because they thought they couldn’t take communion. If pompous prats such as “Monsignor” A F M Conlon feel aggrieved they are named on this blog, they should consider their own motives for adding their names to petitions demanding for example that gay people should be denied the same civil rights to marry, that remarried and divorced people should be denied another chance and receive the sacraments ( Conlon was given a second chance after he was kicked out of Valladolid ) and that the structures of Humanae Vitae should be enforced with rigour - Conlon put his name to that recent petition. I for one have had it with clergy “defending family life” and railing about sodomy - there has actually been a sermon on that in the London Oratory of all places. People make mistakes, people do stupid things, people get pissed at the office party and make a move they regret. To err is to be human. Conlon and the porker are not bad men, and no doubt capable of great kindness. Please then for God’s sake, your own sake, and the sake of the people you serve, stop being a wanker in a Soutane and engage with real life as it is actually lived. Nobody cares if you’re gay - the only people who care about that are the denizens of the glass bubble in which you have chosen to live - so take a leaf out of Pat’s book, don’t impose burdens you cannot maintain yourself, and set yourselves and others free to live the Gospel. Phew!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous at 10:31
DeleteIt is repetitive narrative which we hear over and over again people marry for better or worse they should remember their vows, till death do us part. It is against Gods law for same sex unions these are God's laws and should not be broken, a vow is a promise and should be kept. It is the same for clergy who break their vows, they should be dismissed. You say don't impose burdens they are not burdens, they are promises freely given which you should keep if you don't you are not living the Gospel.
We’ve had the Clerical narrative rammed down our throats for generations in this country and a lot of their narrative was a fairy tale. Meanwhile all sorts of shenanigans of some of the clerical fraternity was been buried. The ‘powers that be’ forgot the children and vulnerable adults abused would grow up.
ReplyDelete@10.39 I would never have guessed or realised what you've just said. Gosh, that's new info.
ReplyDeleteEX MAYNOOTH SEMINARIAN
ReplyDeleteI understand all you wrote.
You could email me?
bishopbuckley1@outlook.com
Dr.Richard Sipe in one of his publications mentions that some experienced hard nosed Catholic attorneys who represented Bishops in CSA cases had to go for counselling in its aftermath as they couldn’t fathom the depth of lies, dishonesty and corruption from the Catholic Bishops they represented. They Catholic attorneys had been traumaised...spiritual abuse.
ReplyDeleteMournemanMichael:
ReplyDeleteLast night I watched the BBC2 Sat night "Spotlight" film I'd recorded. It's about the expose of the nature and scale of RC clerical sexual abuse in the Boston area uncovered by the Boston Globe newspaper. It well deserves its Oscar winning status.
The dogged truth seeking determination of the Globe journalists was remarkable. But so too was the portrayal of all the machinations of the RC establishment, clerical and lay, to bury the story. The connivances and contrivances of the old boy laity network of self interest was revealing, especially the lawyers profiting from secret deals with the church to keep hidden the scale of the abuse.
Watching it there was an odd sense of deja vu relating it to recent and current revelations of abuse here in Ireland.
Well worth watching, and it's repeated this Thursday night at 11:15 pm on BBC2.
Michael
It is also available on BBC iPlayer:
Deletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06vt9qf/spotlight
@11.01. No bother...there’s a mountain of more info to come out of the USA for starters. Why don’t you check out bishopaccountability.org and take a lot at some of the mug shots. You’d never know ...some of the clerical contributors to this blog might recognize some old familiar faces from old familiar places from back in the day!! Ah yes...memories....the way we were.
ReplyDeleteThere is a new Irish Database. Beyond shocking...
Deletehttp://www.bishop-accountability.org/Ireland/
Does anyone still go through the marriage tribunals? It is disgusting that priests should be pouring over the details of people’s private lives to decide whether they are fit for the sacraments. Back in the day there an inveterate old cottager, Mgr Anthony Howe, who following his second conviction could no longer function as Basil’s MC so was given a cushy job judging others on the Westminster Tribunal. These characters used to give themselves a well-deserved lunch after their deliberations at the nearby and now sadly defunct New Maple Grill - a clergy favorite for those whose parish expenses didn’t run to footing the bill at Rule’s restaurant in Covent Garden.
ReplyDeleteI believe that at least many married couples are capable of discerning for themselves the sacramental validity of their marriage, or its lack. Unfortunately, if they wish to marry again in Church, they must convince a panel of canonical jurists of what is already known to the couples. Not always an easy task. And when I think of the intellectual ability, and biased character (the default position of some jurists), a well-nigh impossible task.
DeleteI don't know why couples refer to these tribunals clear-cut cases of sacramentally invalid marriages.
Why not arrange a civil marriage? It would still be sacramentally valid, because where there's relational self-sacrificing love, there is corresponding grace.
And what is 'grace', really, but love's other name.
Tribunal work is a job which should be done by a layperson, preferably a married layperson.
DeleteBasil's lavender legacy
Deletehttp://www.christianorder.com/features/features_2006/features_junejuly06.html
Unfortunately the rot in relation to corruption begins in seminary formation. Inculturation into the Rc Institutional clerical caste culture and the assimilation of attitudes values beliefs assumptions humour...etc as well as contamination and contagion on conscious and unconscious levels in a homosocial milieu is modeled by members of the seminary faculty. Did or does any kind of spiritual direction, growth, formation occur in seminaries? You’d have to wonder.
ReplyDelete+ Pat is not perfect. It's clear. However, notwithstanding his imperfections and inadequacies, it is a fact that this blog which he hosts is pivotal in bringing forth festering wounds which have long been hidden by a Church and its leaders whose first interest is in the preservation of the reputation of the Church and its clergy. It is right and proper, even if imperfectly done by + Pat on occasions, that the corruption and hypocrisy of the Church and its clergy is brought to the light. Many people read this blog, people in the Vatican read it, Vinny reads it - and from it they get a glimpse of the anger and frustration of so many people with things which they (Vatican and Vinny et al) think they have hidden and can continue to hide.
ReplyDeleteSo, yes, + Pat is imperfect and sometimes goes off in the wrong direction and maybe has his own agenda, but he and this blog has been the instrument of much uncovering of stuff and people in the Church that need to have the light shone on them to shame them and to let them know that we are not going to let them get away with it forever. They are accountable.
Oh, and by the way, my intelligence is that + Longley of Birmingham is also affectionately known by his clergy as Nursey or Bunty. He's a nice man, though, picks his battles carefully, and works away behind the scenes effectively. He would make a good next Westminster appointment, and then follow him up with Stock. By that time someone else will have emerged for the future in 20 years' time.
@16.46 You need a new intelligence source.
DeleteAs Peguy said:
Delete"Yes I am a sinner, but I am a good sinner".
In everything I do my heart is in the right place.
I full accept that I am imperfect and flawed.
But as the Bible says:
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1 Cor 1: 28
Pat Buckley. It's time someone gave you a good hiding, spare the rod and spoil the bishop................
ReplyDelete@17.09. ‘ Love one another as I have loved you...’
Delete18.46: It would be more relevant to quote those words of Jesus to Pat who claims to keep the Memory of Jesus Sacred! Claims only - but the reality is that Pat clearly is a twisted individual in the hatred, vengance and vitriol he pours out through his words. He is possessed at times but like many hate filled people, he is blind to his sinfulness. Pat places himself above all others, with not an iota of humility or inner awareness of how he hurts others. His whole life has been spent bullying others: that's why he had to leave the Catholic Church - his bullying was unacceptable. Why has Pat spent almost every moment referencing his difficulties with Cardinal Daly? Why does he harrass Archbishop Eamonn Martin? Why such poisonous, unmerciful, unkind attacks on Cardinal Brady? Pat, I'm afraid is a big hypocrite, blind in every way. Hope he allowed the prayer of Jesus in yesterday's gospel to touch his heart : "Ephaphata" - be opened (to the Word of God).!! Then he may have a true conversion.....as is the challenge for all Christians.
Delete"Get behind me Satan".
Delete‘God has no favorites’...those in the upper echelons of the hierarchy in the USA are finally being made accountable for their complicitness in criminality. ‘. He pulls down princes from their thrones...’ It happening as we blog!
DeleteMournemanMichael to Anon@12:50:
ReplyDeleteYour mention of marriage tribunals calls to mind so many other misguided preoccupations RC clergy have had with sexual matters.
The now abandoned practice of "churching" mothers after childbirth was particularly both sexist and oppressive. While apologists claim biblical origins in Leviticus 12. 2-8; the "Presentation in the Temple "Luke 2.22 claiming it to be a blessing after childbirth, in fact it was understood as a cleansing of the woman after the "sin" associated with sexual procreation.
This practice was another example of warped clerical attitudes to sexuality, their creation of dependency and power, .....As well of course as being a nice little earner to boot!
Michael
As far as I’m aware, there was never a fee for churching. But don’t let truth interfere with your agony narrative at 17.32.
DeleteMournemanMichael to Anon 23:03:
DeleteIndeed you may well be right: not a "fee", but as an altar boy I used see many a note handed over, but never saw it being refused. The 'churching' was usually during the week at the 8:00am mass.
Michael
Mournful Mick willo wispa chocolate bar, why focus and dwell on past issues? We are now in 2018 and as you say such practices are now 'abandoned'. Perhaps you should now abandon your obvious hate/bias. You sure still take a great interest in something you no longer subscribe to - what's that all about?
ReplyDeleteWell said at 16:46: your analysis and intelligence seem spot on to me. Perhaps @17:45 could explain why they think differently.
ReplyDeleteMcConnell now harrassing the poor old Nuns in Keady!
ReplyDeleteI know what that boyo needs!!! Shameful and still he prods around telling people he's your journalist in Armagh, God help us and God help you Pat.
I have no journalist or representative in Armagh.
Delete@19.19 I'm sure you are more than capable of telling McConnell what to do. What's the point moaning about him on here or are you one of those two faced people, moan behind back!! Do you want us to hold your hand? Catch a grip.
Delete20:50 I'll not need you nor anyone else to hold my hand, that I can assure you off!
DeleteI've on many occasions told him what to do, but this lad has poor intellectual and rational skills to work out what is best, just listen to his voice!
Obviously you have no sense as to this fools thinking!
What is so wrong about highlighting and exposing corruption? My "beef" isn't with any law abiding or spiritual member of the RC church. The mass is a beautiful ceremony of remembering Christ at the last supper. What gets my goat and always needs exposed is hypocrisy. True, none of us are perfect but in the name of God people can no longer sit back and allow the abuse and corruption and hypocrisy to continue. We need to highlight the abuses. We need to highlight the corruption and hypocrisy. If we don't we are failing Christ. I must admit that I don't agree with everything BP Pat says but I believe his heart is in the right place and he is right to have this blog to allow ordinary people or members of the clergy to have their say on what they have witnessed or what they know to be wrong. It is sad that we have allowed the abuses, corruption and hypocrisy to go on for so long. Expose, bring to justice and clear out those who have been living double lives: pretending to be disciples of Christ and living contrary to his teachings. I will continue to support anyone who tries to expose any wrongdoings. If we remain silent we become complicit in those wrongdoings. People have and continue to suffer at the hands of these so called pillars of virtue who abuse corrupt and cover up. No one in their right mind can or should condone this. So keep up the work BP Pat. My prayers are with you
ReplyDeleteWavering Catholic@21:25 : I entirely agree with your comment. Hypocrisy is an ancient Greek word denoting the wearing of a mask...a counterfeit persona. You’d have to wonder whats the primary duty of a Bishop? I thought it had something to do with souls, salvation and shepherding. It seems to be far more about protecting assets, protecting the interests of the institution, and unquestioning loyalty to the magisterium regardless. Brings to mind Cardinal Newmans famous quote...to paraphrase... I’ll raise a glass and toast the Pope but I’ll always raise a glass and toast conscience first. God bless.
ReplyDelete21:25.... Gosh, Another long winded lecture.
ReplyDeletePlease spare us this Pat!
We’ve been lectured to for far too long by clergy. So soak it up for a change.
ReplyDeleteWell thats a first a former seminarian granted political asylum due to testimony against Maynooth. Pat this incident is historic for chruch state relations.
ReplyDeleteI am revolting but because I am disgusting I will set myself free.
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