Wednesday, 13 June 2018

OSCOTT SEMINARY - MAYNOOTH LIKE PROBLEMS?


LETTER RECEIVED ABOUT OSCOTT

UNREDACTED COPY SENT TO EACH ARCHBISHOP IN ENGLAND, WALES AND SCOTLAND

News on the Marsden Sacking at Oscott College




Dear Pat,

In addition to your recent blog on Oscott College, this is the latest on the sacking of Father David Marsden SCJ. Forget Maynooth, at least for the next year. You couldn't write this stuff and you need to get it out ASAP.

Oscott's gay sage goes back decades well before Marsden arrived. For a long time the seminary has been a place of gay activity but it has always been covered up by the staff and students, until recently.

......................... I am really concerned about someone who is to be ordained.

Five or six years ago there was a "departure" surrounding gay sex. An early years seminarian was dropped by his bishop - Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx for having a sexual relationship with someone from Xxxxxxxx Diocese and someone from Xxxxxxx Diocese. Both of these seminarians were later ordained, priests. 

The reason XXXX was asked to leave, and not them, had something to do with a Xxxxxxx Diocese priest called Xxxxxxxxx who was then on the staff. This guy was known to have favourites and XXXX was one of them.

THE COLLEGE BAR:

The college bar is known among students and visitors as very camp and a former Rector, Oakley, said it was a place "respectable students avoid". Apparently, Pat, you hear everything there from how much some seminarians can "cum" to who's F****** who in the seminary and the clergy. You see staff and visitors very drunk and all drinks are at reduced prices. 

A former seminarian called it: "THE WORST GAY BAR IN THE COUNTRY".

Many of the seminarian's have women's names - Christine, Vera, Danielle, Mary, Lydia, Princess, Geraldine and one called Herbert who likes younger sems. They call each other as "she" or "queen".

Another lad was called "Tanner" He appeared on your blog some time ago and Tanner's father was so upset at seeing him on your blog that he wanted to take him out of Oscott right away.

Five or six years ago a member of staff called Billo" resigned because of the seminary's support for gay seminarians.

FATHER MARSDEN:

The people responsible for getting rid of Father Marsden were a staff member and seminarian who had alcohol and homosexuality problems.

One person in the college wears makeup regularly and is often escorted to his room drunk by seminarians.

Another seminarian has been described as: " a bisexual who eats books".

Another seminarian has been seen walking around the grounds drunk, with tears in his eyes. 

This year in March/April a top of the range Mercedes parked in the college grounds. A seminarian, a man, and a woman were standing by the car. The seminarian pulled the woman close and kissed her on the lips. 

The seminarian and the woman were having a row about a priest the seminarian was close to. 

Eventually, the seminarian was heard shouting: "I LOVE HIM".

One seminarian was forced to give a homily apologizing to the other seminarians about not being a good brother. Since then he has gone very quiet and has started hanging about with the "holy ones".

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The question is Pat, with Marsden's sacking how long can things continue like this?


ENGLISH CATHOLIC BISHOPS 2013


What will bishops like Joseph Toal, Peter Doyle, John Arnold Mark Davies and Bernard Longley do when they find out they've been misled about their seminarians, some of whom are now priests?


THE SCOTTISH CATHOLIC BISHOPS 2017


How many of Xxxxx phone contacts in Oscott (whose texts and calls could now end up on the internet) approach Oakley and Keane and be honest with them?

Sex, lies, cover-up and illegal behavior.

Is this the Catholic Priesthood at Oscott College?



PAT SAYS:

It is very interesting that Father Marsden was despatched from both Maynooth and Oscott colleges.

Father Marsden is, by all accounts, a very sincere and faithful priest who seeks to uphold Catholic teaching and practice.

And yet he was unwelcome in these Irish and English seminaries.

His enemies seem to be actively gay priests and seminarians.


I think that Father Marsden has a duty to speak out and tell the Catholics of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales about what is going on in the seminaries. 

72 comments:

  1. "Another lad was called 'Tanner'... "

    I think you mean Elsie.

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  2. Fr Marsden is a Jesuit priest. From my experience if Maynooth and Jesuits I am inclined to support Fr. Marsden.

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    1. He is not a Jesuit, try google.

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    2. That would be news to him. He's a Sacred Heart Father. He doesn't need to say anything. His departure again speaks volumes. In a similar situation I fell for the "stay and make a difference" line and I will forever regret it.

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    3. MourneManMichael14 June 2018 at 10:40

      Anon @ 09:08: Your sentence is intriguing "I fell for the "stay and make a difference" line and I will forever regret it.
      I'm wondering if:
      You remained in a seminary and was ordained;
      If ordained, are you still in ministry;
      If not in ministry after ordination when and why did you leave;
      If still in ministry is your regret linked to the difficult position clerics now find themselves in with general public disdain;
      Or do your regrets relate more to a loss of belief in the 'religion of your youth'.

      I'm genuinely interested in understanding your views, and indeed any other ex seminarians ordained or otherwise.
      For what it's worth: leaving, for me in third Divinity was a difficult decision. I had decided the clerical life was not for me, but frankly was 'scared' at the prospect of seeking alternatives and being viewed as a failure.
      50+ years on, I certainly have no regrets.
      MMM

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    4. All very interesting questions.

      I hope 09:08 replies.

      His answers and other remarks will be eagerly awaited.

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    5. 10.40 - MMM - Interesting questions. After 35 plus years of ministry having gone through very challenging situations, personally, emotionally and spiritually; having had to rethink and reimagine my ministry as a priest on many occasions in light of the social and cultural changes in our country and in light of the many church scandals, of which we are all aware, I chose to stay, (though at times tempted to leave), because I value the essence of the gospel of Christ. I value the vision of the early Christian Church which I try to create in my parish. I value the tenets of Christianity and have found its mystical and spiritual depths to be inspiring. I stay because I try only to focus on what's given to me to care for. Outside of that territory I will have nothing to do with any teaching or promulgation that crushes people in every way and have spoken against such unnecessary burdens being placed on people. I try to keep the vision of Christ alive for each person who participates in our community and encourage that they and all of us live the "gospel" as taught by Christ. I find that this approach, imbued with respect, tolerance, kindness, mercy, looking out for others, encouragement, being there to listen and acting appropriately, produces positive fruits and deepens my own commitment. Changing landscapes call for a radical rethink at an individual level and must be done because the leadership we presently have in the Church is not visionary or creative enough. I make the choice each day to stay with what I was given over 35 years ago. It now requires that daily awareness and rethink, all possible because of my profound belief in God's love and grace.

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    6. None of the above, MMM. Sorry to disappoint. I clung to my job in the seminary for ten years longer than I need have done. It's only now that everything is so much worse that I see what a waste it was of the best years of my life.

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    7. Nothing is truly a waste... Remember the wise old saying "Everything teaches you something.."

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    8. 12:09

      I am genuinely sorry to hear that you have such big regrets.

      But you are syill alive and that brings hope.

      Maybe now is the time to follow your dreams - whatever they may be?

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    9. MournemanMichael15 June 2018 at 00:41

      Thanks Anon @12:06 for a thoughtful sincere comment. Your parishoners no doubt appreciate your approach.

      A@12:09: Why so? Your reference to " so much worse" suggests your regret relates to current derision of clergy. Your use of the past tense in referring to the wasted ten years implies a kind of rejection of previous beliefs.
      Could you explain a little more please?
      And thank you both for commenting.
      MMM

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  3. 'Priests' are culturally-imposed middlemen and are not necesssry for salvation.😆

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  4. Another strange story. How is is seminaries seem to have become amplified hotbeds of sexual activity and expression. I know I said I never saw any untoward activity in the Irish College in Rome in my time there. But there was a rumour of the place being cleaned out pre 1981. Nobody ever said much about it but I wonder what if anything went on

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  5. Say pussy!

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W8gVd1qCHHc/WyEGFltMUEI/AAAAAAAAWc8/eIB5s8wKcNoS3J8cqLKnDY5D2IkRrQyFgCLcBGAs/s1600/Bishops-of-Scotland.jpg

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  6. Rev Sean Jones to be ordained a priest for the Diocese of Kerry by Bishop Ray Browne on Sunday 1st July at Moyvane Parish Church at 3pm

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    1. Has this been officially announced?

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    2. It will be announced for public knowledge very soon but seems correct all they say is watch their web site for details.

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    3. Who is doing the make-up?

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    4. The king busy getting all references to to puck removed from internet.

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    5. The "make-up" is mostly being done by the storyteller himself, so far!

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    6. Hi Brendan

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    7. Is that Brendan who is fond of the lace and Canon Law

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  7. There are worse Seminaries for gay goings on than Oscott. Oscott was always considered a walk in the park in comparison to other places. Although having Amy McDonald as Rector you do often wonder. Some weird staff from other dioceses at present who need to be helped to come out of the closet too.

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  8. I met His Excellency Jude Thaddeus Okolo last night and he’s a wonderful Bishop and representative of the Holy Father.

    This blog’s contributors recently made slurs against his good name and I won’t tolerate this abuse.

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    1. What willo you do with us then?

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    2. You met him last night and concluded he was, "A wonderful Bishop". Catch yourself on for goodness sake you wind up merchant. You thought we had come up the river on a banana boat didn't you? Well, we came up on the one after it you twit.

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    3. Well for starters +Pat I’ll ask Google to delete this blog and if they fail to act I’ll report it to the CDF and the Police.

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    4. I met Diarmuid Martin yesterday so what ? Is it a competition?

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    5. @12:45, I’m sure everyone, including Pat, is absolutely petrified now.

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    6. 12.45 Wait while I go outside and shit myself.

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    7. Remember Catilina.

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    8. 12.00 'This blog's contributors' - did you mean to say 'some contributors' or are you making slurs yourself? Maybe the nuncio is a decent bloke. Then perhaps he is aware of the shady side of some of our leading and most vocal clergymen and takes account of it. Here's hoping.

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    9. Jude Thaddeus Okolo? Is that Carinal Sarah's camp name.

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  9. This blog drains all who encounter it of their humanity. It’s a desecration to the scared memory of Christ Jesus.

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    1. MournemanMichael14 June 2018 at 14:19

      It would be helpful if you could explain and provide some proof of this assertion. While I respect your view I have to disagree as I believe it provides a useful forum in revealing much of the malaise in institutionalised religion.
      MMM

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    2. 12:48

      I think it was the RC institution, the hierarchy and clergy who drained the humanity out of the Irish people!

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    3. 12.48 are you speaking for everyone?

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  10. Well I am not shocked to Read this today and I am sure Bishop Peter Doyle and Bishop Joseph Toal will be or should be very worried ..
    12.00 I do hope you are sincere and not having a cheap hit at Bishop Okolo because he is NO fool but they need to get this World Day for Families out the way First.
    As for the Holy Father NOT going North it is NOT a Papal Visit he is there for the World Meeting of Families.

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    1. You say these two Bishops should be worried but you fail to say why. I hope this isn't more talk and idle speculation. I'd be interested if Toal will be in the least surprised as he knows and is aware of Dorothy!!

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    2. 12:56 I said what I said at 12:00 most sincerely about Archbishop Okolo. He’s a very holy and sincere man. He has a very lively,energetic and cheerful personality. It was a win for Irish Catholics and State alike receiving him as Apostolic Nuncio.

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  11. To all the Roman Catholic sheep who are funding the critturs (and their like) in the above photo: BAAAAAAAAAA!🐑

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    1. They funded you in Maynooth Magna. Pot and kettle!!! Baaaaaa

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  12. Xxxxx and Xxxxx then Xxxxx and Xxxxx and then, again, Xxxxx! We can all write Xxxxx - it does not cost anything! Does Buckley not see a contradiction here? If you want to make a statement, make a statement!

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    1. I do not name people without sufficient evidence.

      First of all I report generally.

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    2. PS I was not " making a statement".

      I was reproducing, in redacted form, a 3 paged tightly typed letter I received.

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  13. Half way through my seminary time in uk, we doubled in size overnight by former anglican clergy. These men delighted in 'naming' us with girlie names, they all had female names!

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    1. You'll find the clinical divide of forenames will soon become a think of the past in western society. Why can't a man be called Mary or a woman Joseph?

      Those former Anglicans were merely ahead of their time.

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  14. Pat. Many of the Faithful who will attend the annual Clinard Novena will also be intending to travel south later for the World Families Day.
    Many of these souls will be on benefits or on low or restricted incomes.
    I hope that the good and holy Fathers at Clonard advocate that participants in the novena reduce their offerings and curtail their spending on religious knickknacks and objects of piety so that they can afford the visit south later to see the Holy Father.
    I have no doubt that the good Fathers will be only too pleased to see a decline in the income if they know it will assist with the budgets for many famillies’ Dublin travel plans.

    Dalriada Dick

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    1. 16.22: Such an idiotic comment. People can do what they like with their money. It's their decision and your comment is utter crap. Get a life and go out to help the homeless, the poor, the starving - actions which those who attend the Novena do in abundance, inspired by their faith. No doubt DD you part of such compassionate outreach!! People like Dalriada Dick - one word - dickheads.

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    2. The €20m for Bergolio's city break would go a long way in helping the poor, homeless and starving.

      There are very few Reds in Clonard now. Why don't they move into a few houses and turn the empty Clonard Monastery (sic) into flats for the homeless?

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    3. 21.39: Another sidelines critic who probably walks by on the other side when a homeless beggar comes along. No doubt your home is an open house for the poor? Don't think so.

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  15. I have no doubt that the good Fathers will be only too pleased to see a decline in the income if they know it will assist with the budgets for many famillies’ Dublin travel plans.

    Such absolute nonsense! Have you nothing worthwhile to say?

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  16. Reverend Dr Tomás Surlis has been appointed as Pro-Rector of the Seminary at Saint Patrick’s College, Maynooth, for a period of five years

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    1. Pro-Rector? The Archbishop of Armagh is Rector of Maynooth. What is a pro-rector?

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    2. The Archbishop of Armagh is Chancellor of Maynooth Pontifical University and a Trustee of St Patrick's College but not Rector - there is no such title in Maynooth.

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    3. He examines students’ rectums to make sure there’s nothing up them there shouldn’t be.

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    4. He is rector of the Pontifical University. The Pro-rector is in charge of the seminary.

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    5. 23.55 thank you. That explains that. The them AB of Armagh signed my parchments as Rector but I had not encountered this term pro-rector before.

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  17. 17:20. Perhaps you will keep DD and the rest of us appraised when you see or hear evidence of these actions on the part of the “ reds”
    Thank you.

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    1. I suggest you attend the novena in Clonard and request a breakdown of where money raised goes! Clonard Redemptorists have numerous projects in favour of the poor. A polite request will solicit the information you require!!!!

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    2. Oh dear. Looks like old Dalriada has pressed a few raw nerves. Funny that.

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  18. New VG for Dromore. Fr Anthony Corr

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    1. Mega madam. Ex Thurles

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    2. Boyce is losing the plot. A new Adminstrator of Newry Cathedral has been appointed by Boyce. What does that say for Canon Brown who has just stepped aside until an investigation begins.

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    3. Boyce making wrong appointments in Dromore. He isn't even appointing a PP to Dromore itself. Laughing stock.

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  19. Dalriada Dick will be hoping that the Holy Father encourages pilgrims to hold back on their spending on “knickknacks and objects of piety “ so they have enough money left to spend at the Lamas Fair the following week in Ballycastle. Lol.

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  20. I imagine the kilts are just as bad at Royal Salamanca, +Pat.

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    1. La Dorada needs your attention, dear bishop, they're running amok.

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  21. Brendan Marshall only uses MAC makeup.

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    1. Makes a change from yellowface for him.

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  22. The real concern of right-wing groups of the Christopher West and David Marsden stamp is not seminary discipline but seminary teaching: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/why-the-catholic-right-wants-cleanout-in-maynooth-1.2745542

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  23. Look carefully at some of the formation staff. I know two of the staff were involved in same sex relationships, gay saunas etc whilst at the Venerable English College in the early 2000s. They continued to be sexually active after ordination.

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